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I'm still curious about this: "What does it look like when an able swimmer encounters trouble?" Do adults drown as often as children?

ntoronto 11y ago
Facts: http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreationalSafety/Water-Safety/waterinjuries-factsheet.html http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreationalSafety/Water-Safety/wa... When an adult or adolescent drowns, it looks exactly the same, they're much more dangerous to would-be helpers, and half the time they're drunk and surrounded by drunk people.
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astalwick 11y ago
You'd be surprised. This is in Canada, not sure about the US. Deaths per 100,000 people (drowning), Canada, 2006-2010: 0-4: 1.1 5-12: 0.6 13-17: 0.9 18-24: 2.2 24-34: 1.6 34-49: 1.4 50-64: 1.7 65+: 1.6 I don't have the source handy, but I'll try to dig it up. Edit: Source - http://www.lifesavingsociety.com/media/157475/2013-cdndrowningreport.pdf http://www.lifesavingsociety.com/media/157475/2013-cdndrowni...
- maxerickson 11y ago
  The gadget here puts the overall US rate at 1.07 in 2013 http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate10_us.html http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate10_us.html I did 18-24, it says 1.18. 24-34, 0.98. 5-12, 0.49. I wonder what factors into the differences. I'm sure things like number of guarded facilities, number of swimmers and amount of swim classes are important, it's the specific differences that would be interesting.
  - Rebelgecko 11y ago
    If you go year by year it looks like the rate goes up from 17-20, then after 21 starts to decrease. Somewhere else on the CDC's website they say that "alcohol use is involved in up to 70% of deaths associated with water recreation", which seems pretty consistent with that.
rhaps0dy 11y ago
Thanks for the replies. What about able swimmers? I've played water polo for several years. When participating in an activity where it's mandatory to wear a life jacket, I do, but is there really a point?
- slayed0 11y ago
  When I've been required to wear a life jacket in the past (as an adult) it's typically been in a situation where there was a chance of some other sort of injury occurring that would render you unconscious or unable to swim normally.
- tomjen3 11y ago
  Depends on the distance. As soon as you are out in a small boat there may be too far to the shore, especially if the water is really cold. But at least keep the life jacket near you (ie on the boat), that way you can put it on if necessary - and never ever go out unless there is a suitable life jacket for every person on the boat. Also never wear an inflated life jacket inside a ship (if it sinks and you become trapped you can't escape).
  - Nadya 11y ago
    Never inflate it inside an airplane either! >Many passengers died because they inflated their life jackets in the cabin, causing them to be trapped inside by the rising water. This led to future notices about not inflating the vests before exiting the plane. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_Airlines_Flight_961 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_Airlines_Flight_961
- ntoronto 11y ago
  Sorry, forgot about the able swimmers. But first: another water poloist! Awesome! Water polo was pretty small in my area, so we didn't have a lot of talent in the pool. (Pun intended.) I swam distance on the swim team and was a decent sprinter, so my coach had me play both offensive and defensive hole. My best friend could keep his navel above the water for minutes, so he played keeper behind me. I still love to get my hands on a ball and demo the backwards corner shot. Fun times. Conscious able swimmers have usually been taught how to lie still and float on their backs, or will figure it out quickly if in calm water. They can often call for help, and will do so, interspersed with periods of rest. (Shouting takes a lot of energy.) If the water is warm, they might have hours to get rescued. If the water is cold or even just lukewarm, how long they have depends on a lot of factors, especially the temperature and whether hypothermia is setting in - but in any case they have a lot less time. Able swimmers, especially those who are good enough to swim a mile, often underestimate the effects of cold water on the body. They also tend to underestimate the tremendous strength of moving water. Anybody in moving water who is in distress should be helped ASAP, no matter how good they are at swimming. Moving water is a destroyer and an equalizer. That leaves us with unconscious swimmers. Nobody swims well while unconscious. :) If there's a chance something could knock you out, whether a boat, an overhanging branch, exposure to cold water, or (for those of extended age) a heart attack, put on a well-fitting life jacket.

ntoronto 11y ago

Facts: http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreationalSafety/Water-Safety/waterinjuries-factsheet.html http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreationalSafety/Water-Safety/wa... When an adult or adolescent drowns, it looks exactly the same, they're much more dangerous to would-be helpers, and half the time they're drunk and surrounded by drunk people.

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astalwick 11y ago

You'd be surprised. This is in Canada, not sure about the US. Deaths per 100,000 people (drowning), Canada, 2006-2010: 0-4: 1.1 5-12: 0.6 13-17: 0.9 18-24: 2.2 24-34: 1.6 34-49: 1.4 50-64: 1.7 65+: 1.6 I don't have the source handy, but I'll try to dig it up. Edit: Source - http://www.lifesavingsociety.com/media/157475/2013-cdndrowningreport.pdf http://www.lifesavingsociety.com/media/157475/2013-cdndrowni...

maxerickson 11y ago
The gadget here puts the overall US rate at 1.07 in 2013 http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate10_us.html http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate10_us.html I did 18-24, it says 1.18. 24-34, 0.98. 5-12, 0.49. I wonder what factors into the differences. I'm sure things like number of guarded facilities, number of swimmers and amount of swim classes are important, it's the specific differences that would be interesting.
- Rebelgecko 11y ago
  If you go year by year it looks like the rate goes up from 17-20, then after 21 starts to decrease. Somewhere else on the CDC's website they say that "alcohol use is involved in up to 70% of deaths associated with water recreation", which seems pretty consistent with that.

rhaps0dy 11y ago

Thanks for the replies. What about able swimmers? I've played water polo for several years. When participating in an activity where it's mandatory to wear a life jacket, I do, but is there really a point?

slayed0 11y ago
When I've been required to wear a life jacket in the past (as an adult) it's typically been in a situation where there was a chance of some other sort of injury occurring that would render you unconscious or unable to swim normally.
tomjen3 11y ago
Depends on the distance. As soon as you are out in a small boat there may be too far to the shore, especially if the water is really cold. But at least keep the life jacket near you (ie on the boat), that way you can put it on if necessary - and never ever go out unless there is a suitable life jacket for every person on the boat. Also never wear an inflated life jacket inside a ship (if it sinks and you become trapped you can't escape).
- Nadya 11y ago
  Never inflate it inside an airplane either! >Many passengers died because they inflated their life jackets in the cabin, causing them to be trapped inside by the rising water. This led to future notices about not inflating the vests before exiting the plane. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_Airlines_Flight_961 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_Airlines_Flight_961
ntoronto 11y ago
Sorry, forgot about the able swimmers. But first: another water poloist! Awesome! Water polo was pretty small in my area, so we didn't have a lot of talent in the pool. (Pun intended.) I swam distance on the swim team and was a decent sprinter, so my coach had me play both offensive and defensive hole. My best friend could keep his navel above the water for minutes, so he played keeper behind me. I still love to get my hands on a ball and demo the backwards corner shot. Fun times. Conscious able swimmers have usually been taught how to lie still and float on their backs, or will figure it out quickly if in calm water. They can often call for help, and will do so, interspersed with periods of rest. (Shouting takes a lot of energy.) If the water is warm, they might have hours to get rescued. If the water is cold or even just lukewarm, how long they have depends on a lot of factors, especially the temperature and whether hypothermia is setting in - but in any case they have a lot less time. Able swimmers, especially those who are good enough to swim a mile, often underestimate the effects of cold water on the body. They also tend to underestimate the tremendous strength of moving water. Anybody in moving water who is in distress should be helped ASAP, no matter how good they are at swimming. Moving water is a destroyer and an equalizer. That leaves us with unconscious swimmers. Nobody swims well while unconscious. :) If there's a chance something could knock you out, whether a boat, an overhanging branch, exposure to cold water, or (for those of extended age) a heart attack, put on a well-fitting life jacket.