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The fact that PPK did a lot of good work on web, doesnt mean this article is good. Any genius can create crapwork. So did albert einstein. I once saw a presenta

by TeeWEE 11y ago

The fact that PPK did a lot of good work on web, doesnt mean this article is good. Any genius can create crapwork. So did albert einstein. I once saw a presentation from PPK where he proposed JSON over SMS....(http://quirksmode.org/presentations/Spring2012/bigm.pdf http://quirksmode.org/presentations/Spring2012/bigm.pdf) IMHO that presentation was technically not very strong.

arkj 11y ago
But the case that he is making in this post is strong.
coldtea 11y ago
>I once saw a presentation from PPK where he proposed JSON over SMS. And that's bad because? Given some use cases it could be a very handy and pragmatic re-use of available resources and protocols.
- RubyPinch 11y ago
  because SMS has inherent costs in some countries, because SMSs are tiny (I'm pretty sure his example json structure was larger than a SMS max size even), there is already a mechanism in place (to see all SMSes), which would have to be hijacked (to not display what would be practically garbage to the end user) push notifications already existed 3 years as a thing before this talk Whatsapp, twitter, etc, all existed before this talk as mobile services (and twitter via a SMS interface, which is the far more reasonable way of using SMS uniformly across all phones) It was a talk 3 years too late, data plans already existed, push services already existed, implementing such a thing via SMS would only lead a company to get ~6 months max use, wouldn't be as easy as other methods (receiving a push / making a web request, vs receiving a possibly fragmented SMS, and then having multiplatform hiding of this message), etc etc etc. I personally have to wonder if the talk was comedic (the part about how app stores make it impossible for people to find your app, makes me wonder this as well)
Mikushi 11y ago
The post is neither good or bad. You just happen to disagree with the author. I for one have been bitching (my colleagues know all about it) about the state of affairs in web dev for about year, and so far most people tend to agree. And my current project (mostly heavy Javascript) just reinforces that view, it's a total mess for little real gain.

by TeeWEE 11y ago

arkj 11y ago

But the case that he is making in this post is strong.

coldtea 11y ago

>I once saw a presentation from PPK where he proposed JSON over SMS. And that's bad because? Given some use cases it could be a very handy and pragmatic re-use of available resources and protocols.

RubyPinch 11y ago
because SMS has inherent costs in some countries, because SMSs are tiny (I'm pretty sure his example json structure was larger than a SMS max size even), there is already a mechanism in place (to see all SMSes), which would have to be hijacked (to not display what would be practically garbage to the end user) push notifications already existed 3 years as a thing before this talk Whatsapp, twitter, etc, all existed before this talk as mobile services (and twitter via a SMS interface, which is the far more reasonable way of using SMS uniformly across all phones) It was a talk 3 years too late, data plans already existed, push services already existed, implementing such a thing via SMS would only lead a company to get ~6 months max use, wouldn't be as easy as other methods (receiving a push / making a web request, vs receiving a possibly fragmented SMS, and then having multiplatform hiding of this message), etc etc etc. I personally have to wonder if the talk was comedic (the part about how app stores make it impossible for people to find your app, makes me wonder this as well)

Mikushi 11y ago

The post is neither good or bad. You just happen to disagree with the author. I for one have been bitching (my colleagues know all about it) about the state of affairs in web dev for about year, and so far most people tend to agree. And my current project (mostly heavy Javascript) just reinforces that view, it's a total mess for little real gain.