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I think the reason is because the tooling and the companies (CoreOS, Joyent, Weave, etc.) building all of the tools, are only focusing on grabbing Fortune 500 c

I think the reason is because the tooling and the companies (CoreOS, Joyent, Weave, etc.) building all of the tools, are only focusing on grabbing Fortune 500 customers. Nobody is building Docker tools for the "Blue Collar Apps" of the world. And those companies might be completely justified because the benefits of Docker versus Amazon AMIs/RPMs/DEBs/etc. aren't that big enough to make us go crazy for Docker and switch everything over and fork over cash to these companies. If I have less than 50 (maybe even 100) EC2 instances for my applications there is no way in hell I am going to run 3 service discovery instances, a few container scheduler instances and so on and so forth.

bcantrill 11y ago
Disclaimer: I'm the CTO at Joyent. For whatever it's worth, we completely agree with the sentiment (and I like your "blue collar apps" term) -- and we deliberately have designed Triton[1] for ease of use by virtualizing the notion of a Docker host. I think that the direction you are pointing to (namely, ease of management for very small deployments) is one that the industry needs to pay close attention to; the history of technology is littered with the corpses of overcomplicated systems that failed because they could not scale down to simpler use cases! [1] https://www.joyent.com/blog/triton-docker-and-the-best-of-all-worlds https://www.joyent.com/blog/triton-docker-and-the-best-of-al...
NeutronBoy 11y ago
> Fortune 500 customers Fortune 500 technology customers. Fortune 500 companies who have hundreds of millions and decades of work invested in their infrastructure generally aren't going to jump on whatever the latest infrastructure trend is.
vacri 11y ago
> If I have less than 50 (maybe even 100) EC2 instances for my applications there is no way in hell I am going to run 3 service discovery instances, a few container scheduler instances and so on and so forth. You could go "old school" and have some (virtual) servers do more than one thing :)

bcantrill 11y ago

Disclaimer: I'm the CTO at Joyent. For whatever it's worth, we completely agree with the sentiment (and I like your "blue collar apps" term) -- and we deliberately have designed Triton[1] for ease of use by virtualizing the notion of a Docker host. I think that the direction you are pointing to (namely, ease of management for very small deployments) is one that the industry needs to pay close attention to; the history of technology is littered with the corpses of overcomplicated systems that failed because they could not scale down to simpler use cases! [1] https://www.joyent.com/blog/triton-docker-and-the-best-of-all-worlds https://www.joyent.com/blog/triton-docker-and-the-best-of-al...

NeutronBoy 11y ago

> Fortune 500 customers Fortune 500 technology customers. Fortune 500 companies who have hundreds of millions and decades of work invested in their infrastructure generally aren't going to jump on whatever the latest infrastructure trend is.

vacri 11y ago

> If I have less than 50 (maybe even 100) EC2 instances for my applications there is no way in hell I am going to run 3 service discovery instances, a few container scheduler instances and so on and so forth. You could go "old school" and have some (virtual) servers do more than one thing :)