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No, they care. When it was discovered that a target had once applied for citizenship, rendering him an USPER and thus off limits, Alexander had the man's file p

by s_q_b 11y ago

No, they care. When it was discovered that a target had once applied for citizenship, rendering him an USPER and thus off limits, Alexander had the man's file printed out, erased from the system, and then burned it in front of the entire NOC to make a point. Yes, their procedural controls suck. Yes, "collect it all" is likely an illegal mantra. And if someone bad gets their hands on this data the result could be horrific. But right now, it's being mainly used to target and neutralize actual foreign terrorist threats.

ionised 11y ago
> But right now, it's being mainly used to target and neutralize actual foreign terrorist threats. And civil liberties groups and charities. And foreign businesses in allied countries. And allied politicians.
- deleted 11y ago
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- NullCharacter 11y ago
  [citation needed]
  - ionised 11y ago
    Do you really have to ask after the last year or more of news? http://techcrunch.com/2014/04/08/snowden-council-of-europe-testimony/ http://techcrunch.com/2014/04/08/snowden-council-of-europe-t... http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jun/22/gchq-surveillance-two-human-rights-groups-illegal-tribunal http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jun/22/gchq-surveill... http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/dec/20/gchq-targeted-aid-agencies-german-government-eu-commissioner http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/dec/20/gchq-targeted... http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/05/22/nsa_gchq_spying_on_humanitarian_groups_like_unicef_medecins_du_monde.html http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/05/22/nsa_gchq_... http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/21/world/nsa-dragnet-included-allies-aid-groups-and-business-elite.html?_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/21/world/nsa-dragnet-included... http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/09/nsa-spying-brazil-oil-petrobras http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/09/nsa-spying-braz... I mean, these are just the ones I remember off the top of my head. I've got a pretty good record of everything leaked over the last year or so on my home computer.
    - NullCharacter 11y ago
      Oh you mean an intelligence agency whose mission is foreign intelligence is gathering intelligence on foreign entities?
      - ionised 11y ago
        You just asked me for citations, implying that you didn't believe what I wrote. I gave you citations/articles and you reply with basically "Well, well... of course they do that!"
        NullCharacter 11y ago
        For what it's worth, when you said "Civil liberties groups and charities... and allied politicians" I thought you were referring to domestic organizations/persons. Shrug.
        qanael 11y ago
        Is that a meaningful distinction?
        NullCharacter 11y ago
        It is to a pragmatic person like me, but I suspect it's not to you.
        dimino 11y ago
        To the law? Yes, a huge one.
        vitd 11y ago
        You mean like spying on our own senators [1]? [1]https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/03/11/is-the-cia-spying-on-congressional-computers-heres-what-you-need-to-know/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/03/1...

by s_q_b 11y ago

ionised 11y ago

> But right now, it's being mainly used to target and neutralize actual foreign terrorist threats. And civil liberties groups and charities. And foreign businesses in allied countries. And allied politicians.

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NullCharacter 11y ago
[citation needed]
- ionised 11y ago
  Do you really have to ask after the last year or more of news? http://techcrunch.com/2014/04/08/snowden-council-of-europe-testimony/ http://techcrunch.com/2014/04/08/snowden-council-of-europe-t... http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jun/22/gchq-surveillance-two-human-rights-groups-illegal-tribunal http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jun/22/gchq-surveill... http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/dec/20/gchq-targeted-aid-agencies-german-government-eu-commissioner http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/dec/20/gchq-targeted... http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/05/22/nsa_gchq_spying_on_humanitarian_groups_like_unicef_medecins_du_monde.html http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/05/22/nsa_gchq_... http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/21/world/nsa-dragnet-included-allies-aid-groups-and-business-elite.html?_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/21/world/nsa-dragnet-included... http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/09/nsa-spying-brazil-oil-petrobras http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/09/nsa-spying-braz... I mean, these are just the ones I remember off the top of my head. I've got a pretty good record of everything leaked over the last year or so on my home computer.
  - NullCharacter 11y ago
    Oh you mean an intelligence agency whose mission is foreign intelligence is gathering intelligence on foreign entities?
    - ionised 11y ago
      You just asked me for citations, implying that you didn't believe what I wrote. I gave you citations/articles and you reply with basically "Well, well... of course they do that!"
      - NullCharacter 11y ago
        For what it's worth, when you said "Civil liberties groups and charities... and allied politicians" I thought you were referring to domestic organizations/persons. Shrug.
        qanael 11y ago
        Is that a meaningful distinction?
        NullCharacter 11y ago
        It is to a pragmatic person like me, but I suspect it's not to you.
        dimino 11y ago
        To the law? Yes, a huge one.
        vitd 11y ago
        You mean like spying on our own senators [1]? [1]https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/03/11/is-the-cia-spying-on-congressional-computers-heres-what-you-need-to-know/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/03/1...