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With most manufacturers you do good to get updates after 6 months. I'd like to see a class action on it but have no idea of its feasibility.

pasbesoin 11y ago
A bit over a year ago, I bought the first generation Moto X from... well, Verizon "sold" me the phone, but it shipped directly from Motorola, then owned by Google. For reasons I'll mostly skip (signal/reception), I needed to stay with Verizon. I bought the Moto X largely on the... assurance ("promise"?) that this particular phone, coming from a Google-owned Motorola, would actually be updated expeditiously by not just the manufacturer but also, downstream, Verizon. Well, about a month ago my still 4.4.4 phone received an update. FINALLY. Then I looked at the version information; still at 4.4.4 . I tell you, Google, I'm about done with your mobile products. Not that I hate dealing with them, with Android, but the U.S. (and elsewhere?) ecosphere for them simply sucks. At least I am at 4.4.4 . Were I at 4.4.3, the last I read I would be subject to a web component vulnerability that Google has refused to fix below 4.4.4 . I suspect there are a lot of phones and tablets stuck at 4.4.3 or below. In fact, my parents have one, a Samsung tablet sold to the by... VERIZON, about a year and a half ago. (And they didn't buy at the cheap/old end of Verizon's tablet offerings.) I am DONE with this bullshit. Meanwhile, Apple seems to have added some efficiencies to iOS that now allow a 4s phone (not sure about 4) to work reasonably well. I was staying away from Apple's rather closed ecosphere and attitude. I am seriously reconsidering, at this point. I need my primary phone to fucking work and be reliable. I'll keep the more experimental stuff to other platforms.
- tcfunk 11y ago
  I am with you on this. Though I wish running into the arms of Apple wasn't the answer (was really hoping Ubuntu phone would be an option but that is seeming more and more unrealistic). The fact that the only way to get reasonably-paced system updates is to install 3rd party operating systems (e.g. Cyanogenmod) is extremely frustrating.
  - wstrange 11y ago
    You don't need to run into the arms of Apple. Buy a Nexus phone. It's that simple
    - hraedon 11y ago
      If you frequently replace devices, maybe. If you're one of those poor suckers that bought Verizon's version of the Galaxy Nexus, you know that the promise of consistent updates for eighteen months is inadequate.
    - schwarze_pest 11y ago
      How is this an option? My Nexus is stuck with 4.3.
      - pd1 11y ago
        Which one? 4?
        bitmapbrother 11y ago
        No, the Nexus 4 got 5.1. He likely has a Galaxy Nexus - a 4 year old phone.
        schwarze_pest 11y ago
        Not quite 4 years, but well... it still works fine. I wouldn't even expect a current android version, just patches for nasty security bugs like this one. What's so hard about that?
- nostrademons 11y ago
  My first-gen Moto X got the 5.1 update about a month ago. Late, but better late than never. Supposedly the rest of the 1st gen Moto X's are getting them "pending carrier support" over the next month or so. Motorola has a website where you can see whether (and supposedly when) your phone will get an upgrade: https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/software-upgrade-news/g_id/1949?linkId=10217927 https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/software-upg...
  - pasbesoin 11y ago
    Thank you. Verizon has long been a bastard with regard to releasing updates. However, travel takes me where they are the only thing that works (other than a local carrier that makes no sense back at home). They also tend to have better coverage here at home. BUT, they told me that one of the selling points of this model on Verizon was that they were committing to releasing updates in a timely manner. My fault for believing Verizon. But... Google's fault for not pressuring them. iPhones on Verizon get updates. This becomes "simple math", for the user on Verizon. And, Verizon has a lot of users, here in the U.S. P.S. Even if Google is not in a position to effectively do anything about this, they should recognize the pressure this applies to users to switch platforms. Something I would imagine they ARE interested in.
    - ingenium 11y ago
      This is exactly why I won't buy anything except Nexus phones now. The updates are completely independent from the carrier (well, carriers can withhold OTA updates, but you can always flash the current system image from Google).
      - pasbesoin 11y ago
        I'm completely happy with my Nexus 7 2013 (WiFi only). I may look into jailbreak/rooting options that are compatible with ongoing Verizon service, for the phone. In future, if I don't switch to an iPhone, I may well go with another carrier, and just eat the cost of e.g. a prepaid Moto G for the times when I travel and need the network covereage. Still, seems ridiculous. And if not Google, the FCC should be taking a good, hard look at Verizon Wireless. At some point, negligence should apply that, if nothing else, gets their spectrum allocations revoked. That would get their attention, fast. P.S. Maybe a Google lobbyist and/or lawyer could have a quiet little conversation with their FCC contacts about this?
- gcb0 11y ago
  i started a little movement to get 4.4 update to get rid of that vuln. unofficial Motorola word on xda was that there was a single intern handling releases for older phone. heh i actually believe it. everyone here with a short memory will say they are on 5 already. which adds nothing. and they will forget the 4 months they were on a insecure 4.x

pasbesoin 11y ago

A bit over a year ago, I bought the first generation Moto X from... well, Verizon "sold" me the phone, but it shipped directly from Motorola, then owned by Google. For reasons I'll mostly skip (signal/reception), I needed to stay with Verizon. I bought the Moto X largely on the... assurance ("promise"?) that this particular phone, coming from a Google-owned Motorola, would actually be updated expeditiously by not just the manufacturer but also, downstream, Verizon. Well, about a month ago my still 4.4.4 phone received an update. FINALLY. Then I looked at the version information; still at 4.4.4 . I tell you, Google, I'm about done with your mobile products. Not that I hate dealing with them, with Android, but the U.S. (and elsewhere?) ecosphere for them simply sucks. At least I am at 4.4.4 . Were I at 4.4.3, the last I read I would be subject to a web component vulnerability that Google has refused to fix below 4.4.4 . I suspect there are a lot of phones and tablets stuck at 4.4.3 or below. In fact, my parents have one, a Samsung tablet sold to the by... VERIZON, about a year and a half ago. (And they didn't buy at the cheap/old end of Verizon's tablet offerings.) I am DONE with this bullshit. Meanwhile, Apple seems to have added some efficiencies to iOS that now allow a 4s phone (not sure about 4) to work reasonably well. I was staying away from Apple's rather closed ecosphere and attitude. I am seriously reconsidering, at this point. I need my primary phone to fucking work and be reliable. I'll keep the more experimental stuff to other platforms.

tcfunk 11y ago
I am with you on this. Though I wish running into the arms of Apple wasn't the answer (was really hoping Ubuntu phone would be an option but that is seeming more and more unrealistic). The fact that the only way to get reasonably-paced system updates is to install 3rd party operating systems (e.g. Cyanogenmod) is extremely frustrating.
- wstrange 11y ago
  You don't need to run into the arms of Apple. Buy a Nexus phone. It's that simple
  - hraedon 11y ago
    If you frequently replace devices, maybe. If you're one of those poor suckers that bought Verizon's version of the Galaxy Nexus, you know that the promise of consistent updates for eighteen months is inadequate.
  - schwarze_pest 11y ago
    How is this an option? My Nexus is stuck with 4.3.
    - pd1 11y ago
      Which one? 4?
      - bitmapbrother 11y ago
        No, the Nexus 4 got 5.1. He likely has a Galaxy Nexus - a 4 year old phone.
        schwarze_pest 11y ago
        Not quite 4 years, but well... it still works fine. I wouldn't even expect a current android version, just patches for nasty security bugs like this one. What's so hard about that?
nostrademons 11y ago
My first-gen Moto X got the 5.1 update about a month ago. Late, but better late than never. Supposedly the rest of the 1st gen Moto X's are getting them "pending carrier support" over the next month or so. Motorola has a website where you can see whether (and supposedly when) your phone will get an upgrade: https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/software-upgrade-news/g_id/1949?linkId=10217927 https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/software-upg...
- pasbesoin 11y ago
  Thank you. Verizon has long been a bastard with regard to releasing updates. However, travel takes me where they are the only thing that works (other than a local carrier that makes no sense back at home). They also tend to have better coverage here at home. BUT, they told me that one of the selling points of this model on Verizon was that they were committing to releasing updates in a timely manner. My fault for believing Verizon. But... Google's fault for not pressuring them. iPhones on Verizon get updates. This becomes "simple math", for the user on Verizon. And, Verizon has a lot of users, here in the U.S. P.S. Even if Google is not in a position to effectively do anything about this, they should recognize the pressure this applies to users to switch platforms. Something I would imagine they ARE interested in.
  - ingenium 11y ago
    This is exactly why I won't buy anything except Nexus phones now. The updates are completely independent from the carrier (well, carriers can withhold OTA updates, but you can always flash the current system image from Google).
    - pasbesoin 11y ago
      I'm completely happy with my Nexus 7 2013 (WiFi only). I may look into jailbreak/rooting options that are compatible with ongoing Verizon service, for the phone. In future, if I don't switch to an iPhone, I may well go with another carrier, and just eat the cost of e.g. a prepaid Moto G for the times when I travel and need the network covereage. Still, seems ridiculous. And if not Google, the FCC should be taking a good, hard look at Verizon Wireless. At some point, negligence should apply that, if nothing else, gets their spectrum allocations revoked. That would get their attention, fast. P.S. Maybe a Google lobbyist and/or lawyer could have a quiet little conversation with their FCC contacts about this?
gcb0 11y ago
i started a little movement to get 4.4 update to get rid of that vuln. unofficial Motorola word on xda was that there was a single intern handling releases for older phone. heh i actually believe it. everyone here with a short memory will say they are on 5 already. which adds nothing. and they will forget the 4 months they were on a insecure 4.x