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Opposing "speech policing" is standing up for open speech. It is not a variant of "speech policing." To claim that it is is just nasty verbal trickery. It's ex
by javert 11y ago
Opposing "speech policing" is standing up for open speech. It is not a variant of "speech policing." To claim that it is is just nasty verbal trickery.
It's exactly like one person saying "Criminals use guns to rob people" and another person saying "But police use guns, too, so they're just as bad as criminals." The proper distinction is that criminals use guns to rob, and police use guns to protect.
There is a technical name for this trick, "equivocation." It's equating things that are different in essence by referencing superficial similarities.
And you've added a helping of sarcasm on top of that, which is never germane to making a rational argument.
> I can't quite see that you've given me the same courtesy, though.
If I'm standing up for someone who is being "attacked" (for lack of a better term), I can't exactly be courteous to the attacker in the sense you are asking, which is "not disagreeing." Which is not the normal sense of the word "courteous." In the normal sense of "courteous," I have been courteous. The post I made doesn't even reference you personally. This is another equivocation on your part---equating actual courtesy and "not getting called out."
Now, I'm going to end this conversation before someone who actually "works at" HN has to come along and ask us to stop. I hope somebody has learned something about equivocation from this comment, which is my intention. Otherwise it would be pointless and I would not post it.
- pdabbadabba 11y agoWhat you read as sarcasm I had intended to be lighthearted, so I'm sorry about that. But there was also a point buried in there: I think it is clearly not contrary to the ideals of free/open speech to also hold the view that not every comment is productive or welcome in the context of every conversation given the prevailing community norms. This is why it is typically considered rude to bring up religion, politics, or sex at a dinner party, to take just one example. What is going on here is merely that you think that comments suggesting that other comments are a bit out of bounds are themselves out of bounds. Clearly, therefore, we both believe that a conversation ought to have some subject matter limits, so I don't think its fair to suggest that I am somehow anti speech, while you are just here to defend others' rights. We just disagree about what the proper limits of an HN discussion are, nothing more. After all, my original comment was itself speech, speech that, apparently, you would oppose.
- jsprogrammer 11y agoThere are no proper limits. If someone doesn't like a speech, they can just down-mod it. Eventually an algorithm will cull the speech if some obscure amount of down-mods occur. Those who wish to censor, can on HN discussions.