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The Doves Type font can be seen at this site http://www.typespec.co.uk/doves-type/ http://www.typespec.co.uk/doves-type/, which als tells the story how it was r

by lindig 11y ago

The Doves Type font can be seen at this site http://www.typespec.co.uk/doves-type/ http://www.typespec.co.uk/doves-type/, which als tells the story how it was recovered.

krebby 11y ago
Last year I found just the typography in a PDF (http://www.sinnebild.se/font/large/dove.pdf http://www.sinnebild.se/font/large/dove.pdf) with the typeface embedded. It's a beautiful font that works incredibly well for a number of projects.
fein 11y ago
It does seem ironic that Cobden-Sanderson threw the original type in the river in order to avoid Walker selling it, yet here we are with typespec selling licenses of the digital version for 40 quid.
evolve2k 11y ago
Thanks for the link. On the typespec site is a PDF preview of the font and on page 6, there is a more detailed and also concise summary of the history of the type from Robert Green himself. It's worth a read. He finishes with this.. 'In reading about the Doves Press on the internet there is a danger of consuming the story as fiction. I could not have undertaken this digital recreation or the task of recovering the real type without hard facts. I found these in Marianne Tidcombe's book on the Doves Press. If you have any further interest in the story, please seek it out. ―Robert Green, 6th March 2015'
- evolve2k 11y ago
  I'm assuming he means 'The Doves Bindery' by Marianne Tidcombe which is currently selling on Amazon for $287. Almost cheaper to hire a diver and find some more type yourself (I joke) http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0712302387 http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0712302387
  - dovestype 11y ago
    No I mean the Doves Press which Marianne Tidcombe wrote after her work on the Doves Bindery. I'll admit it is expensive at around £70, but I've seen copies for £40 http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Doves-Press-Marianne-Tidcombe/dp/0712347089 http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Doves-Press-Marianne-Tidcombe/dp...
vortico 11y ago
Why doesn't BBC have even a single link to the project page? Do they assume nobody actually cares about the news they read on their website? The entire point of the WWW is to make a network of information with hyperlinks connecting them.
- weego 11y ago
  Perhaps because you can buy from the page? They might have an editorial style-guide blocking links that might suggested some kind of inferred commercial endorsement.
- Zikes 11y ago
  I find a lot of online news publications still write as though they're dealing with print. NYT has made huge strides with this, greatly increasing the amount of visualization and interactivity in their articles.
  - Vexs 11y ago
    Some bloomberg articles are downright gorgeous to look at, this brilliant minimalist gradient design.
Redoubts 11y ago
Why is the dot on the i so small and off center when the diacritics are all large, centered diamonds?
- lindig 11y ago
  I wonder, how was the "i" cut in lead with the dot being off-center? Wouldn't this cause the letter to be unusually wide? Or was it cut as some kind of ligature, which I find hard to imagine. Addendum: there is a picture of an "i" at http://www.typespec.co.uk/recovering-the-doves-type/ http://www.typespec.co.uk/recovering-the-doves-type/. The "i" is cut with the dot at the right edge of the metal plate that holds it
tripzilch 11y ago
Huh, interesting bit from that site, about purchasing the font: > It is also available in web font formats for self hosted websites (up to 10K monthly pageviews on average). Now I can totally understand this feeling. If your art is deployed on a large and popular website with millions of monthly pageviews, you'd like a different (higher) compensation than if it was used on a relatively small time website with less than 10K monthly views. I'm also aware of the fact that licensing for fonts works rather differently than most other sorts of intellectual property. In IP law, fonts are not copyrighted like graphics/art/design is, but more like a computer program would be[0]. The font file is seen as the computer program (that generates the outlines), rendering text with the font is seen as running the computer program[1], and therefore the creator can request a license for every "user" of their program. Which, in the case of web fonts, are the visitors of the website. This is a legal thing. A graphics artist cannot license their designs depending on the number of viewers, a least not in the same way. This is because whoever buys the design buys a license to "publish" and "make public" the design (which can of course be negotiated depending on the expected exposure). From there it is (for the most part) out of the hands of the original creator. However the feeling I described in the first paragraph above, is (IMO) just as reasonable for a graphics artist as it would be for a font designer. Does this make sense? At least for the case of graphic design, the way the law operates (mostly) makes sense in our current digital age. And websites also contain other code, like Javascript, and they are merely licensed to whoever built the site. Even though the users of the website execute the code in much the same way. I always find it weird how fonts are such a special case in IP law. I get that creating a font takes a lot of work, but so can large graphics design projects. [0] Please note that this has nothing to do with the fact that some parts of many font file formats are Turing-complete. It's a purely legal distinction, which does not care about the computer science / theory. [1] And running a computer program is protected by copyrights because it involves copying the program from storage to working memory and such. At least that's what I learned about Dutch IP law in university. It's a little bit ridiculous, but this is the reason why software licenses can exist.

by lindig 11y ago

The Doves Type font can be seen at this site http://www.typespec.co.uk/doves-type/ http://www.typespec.co.uk/doves-type/, which als tells the story how it was recovered.

krebby 11y ago

Last year I found just the typography in a PDF (http://www.sinnebild.se/font/large/dove.pdf http://www.sinnebild.se/font/large/dove.pdf) with the typeface embedded. It's a beautiful font that works incredibly well for a number of projects.

fein 11y ago

It does seem ironic that Cobden-Sanderson threw the original type in the river in order to avoid Walker selling it, yet here we are with typespec selling licenses of the digital version for 40 quid.

evolve2k 11y ago

Thanks for the link. On the typespec site is a PDF preview of the font and on page 6, there is a more detailed and also concise summary of the history of the type from Robert Green himself. It's worth a read. He finishes with this.. 'In reading about the Doves Press on the internet there is a danger of consuming the story as fiction. I could not have undertaken this digital recreation or the task of recovering the real type without hard facts. I found these in Marianne Tidcombe's book on the Doves Press. If you have any further interest in the story, please seek it out. ―Robert Green, 6th March 2015'

evolve2k 11y ago
I'm assuming he means 'The Doves Bindery' by Marianne Tidcombe which is currently selling on Amazon for $287. Almost cheaper to hire a diver and find some more type yourself (I joke) http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0712302387 http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0712302387
- dovestype 11y ago
  No I mean the Doves Press which Marianne Tidcombe wrote after her work on the Doves Bindery. I'll admit it is expensive at around £70, but I've seen copies for £40 http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Doves-Press-Marianne-Tidcombe/dp/0712347089 http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Doves-Press-Marianne-Tidcombe/dp...

vortico 11y ago

Why doesn't BBC have even a single link to the project page? Do they assume nobody actually cares about the news they read on their website? The entire point of the WWW is to make a network of information with hyperlinks connecting them.

weego 11y ago
Perhaps because you can buy from the page? They might have an editorial style-guide blocking links that might suggested some kind of inferred commercial endorsement.
Zikes 11y ago
I find a lot of online news publications still write as though they're dealing with print. NYT has made huge strides with this, greatly increasing the amount of visualization and interactivity in their articles.
- Vexs 11y ago
  Some bloomberg articles are downright gorgeous to look at, this brilliant minimalist gradient design.

Redoubts 11y ago

Why is the dot on the i so small and off center when the diacritics are all large, centered diamonds?

lindig 11y ago
I wonder, how was the "i" cut in lead with the dot being off-center? Wouldn't this cause the letter to be unusually wide? Or was it cut as some kind of ligature, which I find hard to imagine. Addendum: there is a picture of an "i" at http://www.typespec.co.uk/recovering-the-doves-type/ http://www.typespec.co.uk/recovering-the-doves-type/. The "i" is cut with the dot at the right edge of the metal plate that holds it

tripzilch 11y ago

Huh, interesting bit from that site, about purchasing the font: > It is also available in web font formats for self hosted websites (up to 10K monthly pageviews on average). Now I can totally understand this feeling. If your art is deployed on a large and popular website with millions of monthly pageviews, you'd like a different (higher) compensation than if it was used on a relatively small time website with less than 10K monthly views. I'm also aware of the fact that licensing for fonts works rather differently than most other sorts of intellectual property. In IP law, fonts are not copyrighted like graphics/art/design is, but more like a computer program would be[0]. The font file is seen as the computer program (that generates the outlines), rendering text with the font is seen as running the computer program[1], and therefore the creator can request a license for every "user" of their program. Which, in the case of web fonts, are the visitors of the website. This is a legal thing. A graphics artist cannot license their designs depending on the number of viewers, a least not in the same way. This is because whoever buys the design buys a license to "publish" and "make public" the design (which can of course be negotiated depending on the expected exposure). From there it is (for the most part) out of the hands of the original creator. However the feeling I described in the first paragraph above, is (IMO) just as reasonable for a graphics artist as it would be for a font designer. Does this make sense? At least for the case of graphic design, the way the law operates (mostly) makes sense in our current digital age. And websites also contain other code, like Javascript, and they are merely licensed to whoever built the site. Even though the users of the website execute the code in much the same way. I always find it weird how fonts are such a special case in IP law. I get that creating a font takes a lot of work, but so can large graphics design projects. [0] Please note that this has nothing to do with the fact that some parts of many font file formats are Turing-complete. It's a purely legal distinction, which does not care about the computer science / theory. [1] And running a computer program is protected by copyrights because it involves copying the program from storage to working memory and such. At least that's what I learned about Dutch IP law in university. It's a little bit ridiculous, but this is the reason why software licenses can exist.