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The funny/sad thing is that the NY Times basically admitted that's what they've become. In the Ellen Pao "Public Editor" column I linked to, the NY Times Public

The funny/sad thing is that the NY Times basically admitted that's what they've become. In the Ellen Pao "Public Editor" column I linked to, the NY Times Public Editor herself said "I often hear from readers that they would prefer a straight, neutral treatment — just the facts. But The Times has moved away from that, reflecting editors’ reasonable belief that the basics can be found in many news outlets, every minute of the day."

mikeash 11y ago
Sweet zombie jesus. I can't believe they not only outright said that, but apparently think it's somehow a good thing. The only thing the NYT has going for it is reliability. If it's their view that the facts can be had anywhere and what makes them special is the "added value" then they are almost outright admitting that they no longer have any reason to exits.
- function_seven 11y ago
  So can we safely say they are no longer "the newspaper of record"? That's one of the massive pillars that their reputation has been staked on for more than a century. I was just as flabbergasted as you when I read that line. "Added value" is why the New York Post exists.
  - busterarm 11y ago
    Sad/funny thing is...the Post has been totally nailing it on some of their stories lately. http://nypost.com/2015/07/10/apparently-its-now-ok-to-pee-on-the-streets-of-new-york-city/ http://nypost.com/2015/07/10/apparently-its-now-ok-to-pee-on...
jinushaun 11y ago
If everybody holds this belief, then where am I supposed to get my "basics?"
- thaumasiotes 11y ago
  Read the story 5 times in a variety of places, and see what didn't change from report to report. :/
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PhantomGremlin 11y ago
OMG. Thanks for calling attention to this. It's unbelievable. Is there a chance that somehow The Onion has hijacked DNS for the Times and redirected it to a spoof site? Because that's how I read what the Public Editor said! We're also treated to Orwellian Newspeak. When articles are written with an SJW slant it's not "opinion", but "analysis". BTW at this moment there are 226 comments on that column on the Times website. People are outraged. Here are some excerpts from a few comments: The color commentary disgused as "context and analysis" is just awful—stop it! Just the facts, please. This is why the Times has diminishing readership and crediblity. I'm just boggled. Readers hammered you on the factual inaccuracies, bias and agenda pushing in that article. And that's your response? My world is crumbling and there's nothing I can do to stop it. I've saved a copy of both the column and the comments. When I need a reminder of how bad traditional media has become, I'll reread them.

mikeash 11y ago

Sweet zombie jesus. I can't believe they not only outright said that, but apparently think it's somehow a good thing. The only thing the NYT has going for it is reliability. If it's their view that the facts can be had anywhere and what makes them special is the "added value" then they are almost outright admitting that they no longer have any reason to exits.

function_seven 11y ago
So can we safely say they are no longer "the newspaper of record"? That's one of the massive pillars that their reputation has been staked on for more than a century. I was just as flabbergasted as you when I read that line. "Added value" is why the New York Post exists.
- busterarm 11y ago
  Sad/funny thing is...the Post has been totally nailing it on some of their stories lately. http://nypost.com/2015/07/10/apparently-its-now-ok-to-pee-on-the-streets-of-new-york-city/ http://nypost.com/2015/07/10/apparently-its-now-ok-to-pee-on...

jinushaun 11y ago

If everybody holds this belief, then where am I supposed to get my "basics?"

thaumasiotes 11y ago
Read the story 5 times in a variety of places, and see what didn't change from report to report. :/

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PhantomGremlin 11y ago

OMG. Thanks for calling attention to this. It's unbelievable. Is there a chance that somehow The Onion has hijacked DNS for the Times and redirected it to a spoof site? Because that's how I read what the Public Editor said! We're also treated to Orwellian Newspeak. When articles are written with an SJW slant it's not "opinion", but "analysis". BTW at this moment there are 226 comments on that column on the Times website. People are outraged. Here are some excerpts from a few comments: The color commentary disgused as "context and analysis" is just awful—stop it! Just the facts, please. This is why the Times has diminishing readership and crediblity. I'm just boggled. Readers hammered you on the factual inaccuracies, bias and agenda pushing in that article. And that's your response? My world is crumbling and there's nothing I can do to stop it. I've saved a copy of both the column and the comments. When I need a reminder of how bad traditional media has become, I'll reread them.