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Wow, damning takedown (from a former NYT journalist who happens to really know the industry). There is one odd line, "Needless to say, it is not like The New Y

Wow, damning takedown (from a former NYT journalist who happens to really know the industry). There is one odd line, "Needless to say, it is not like The New York Times to get things so demonstrably wrong," It's just odd because Bernstein effectively makes Erika Allen seem like this decade's Jayson Blair. Makes the reader wonder if the NYT is a pressure cooker for this sort of fabulist. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayson_Blair https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayson_Blair

foobarian 11y ago
This is now a second former NYT journalist that is also concerned about NYT's fact checking. Wonder if they were replaced by journalists with similar ethical standards.
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aaronkrolik 11y ago
heres the ad in question: https://twitter.com/michaelluo/status/625082960547610626 https://twitter.com/michaelluo/status/625082960547610626 the author of this post never interviewed the NYT reporter. or her editor
- KaoruAoiShiho 11y ago
  What am I looking at? It clearly says $75 right there not $10.
  - thaumasiotes 11y ago
    On the reporter's twitter, it is claimed that the ad says $75/day for a worker with experience, and $10 for one without. However, you'd have to take their word for it, because despite saying very aggrieved things about how the ad Bernstein doubted DOES REALLY EXIST, and HERE'S A PICTURE OF IT... nobody has posted a picture with legible text. I find it personally disturbing that so many people want to view that image as evidence of anything at all. :/ The character 學 ("study") is visible before an occurrence of $10 in the text, so it's reasonably likely that they're telling the truth about what it says. It's left as an exercise to say why paying your untrained interns $10 / day is so much worse for them than the conventional US practice of paying them nothing.
    - Retra 11y ago
      Unpaid internships in the US are mostly illegal except under some fairly contrived circumstances.
      - GFK_of_xmaspast 11y ago
        They're also all over the place in SV.
brownbat 11y ago
Correction: Sorry, Sarah Nir is the journalist, not Allen. The one ad is now being used to confirm: "Asian-language newspapers are rife with classified ads listing manicurist jobs paying so little the daily wage can at first glance appear to be a typo." The existence of one ad shows that Bernstein wasn't thorough in his search. But the image does not show that papers are rife with such ads. Either way, though, Nir is writing about vulnerable undocumented immigrants, and Bernstein's describing how the industry works for people who play by the rules and only hire licensed workers. Since they're talking about different parts of the industry, everything both side argues could be true. I'm reading the twitter exchange, it sounds like they're just shouting past each other.

foobarian 11y ago

This is now a second former NYT journalist that is also concerned about NYT's fact checking. Wonder if they were replaced by journalists with similar ethical standards.

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aaronkrolik 11y ago

heres the ad in question: https://twitter.com/michaelluo/status/625082960547610626 https://twitter.com/michaelluo/status/625082960547610626 the author of this post never interviewed the NYT reporter. or her editor

KaoruAoiShiho 11y ago
What am I looking at? It clearly says $75 right there not $10.
- thaumasiotes 11y ago
  On the reporter's twitter, it is claimed that the ad says $75/day for a worker with experience, and $10 for one without. However, you'd have to take their word for it, because despite saying very aggrieved things about how the ad Bernstein doubted DOES REALLY EXIST, and HERE'S A PICTURE OF IT... nobody has posted a picture with legible text. I find it personally disturbing that so many people want to view that image as evidence of anything at all. :/ The character 學 ("study") is visible before an occurrence of $10 in the text, so it's reasonably likely that they're telling the truth about what it says. It's left as an exercise to say why paying your untrained interns $10 / day is so much worse for them than the conventional US practice of paying them nothing.
  - Retra 11y ago
    Unpaid internships in the US are mostly illegal except under some fairly contrived circumstances.
    - GFK_of_xmaspast 11y ago
      They're also all over the place in SV.

brownbat 11y ago

Correction: Sorry, Sarah Nir is the journalist, not Allen. The one ad is now being used to confirm: "Asian-language newspapers are rife with classified ads listing manicurist jobs paying so little the daily wage can at first glance appear to be a typo." The existence of one ad shows that Bernstein wasn't thorough in his search. But the image does not show that papers are rife with such ads. Either way, though, Nir is writing about vulnerable undocumented immigrants, and Bernstein's describing how the industry works for people who play by the rules and only hire licensed workers. Since they're talking about different parts of the industry, everything both side argues could be true. I'm reading the twitter exchange, it sounds like they're just shouting past each other.