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Too little and too late. Even if the GUI would be perfect and much better than android or iOS (which I greatly doubt, simply because of the man hours that went

Too little and too late. Even if the GUI would be perfect and much better than android or iOS (which I greatly doubt, simply because of the man hours that went into those projects) there are two big things missing. An ecosystem of apps+apis and IMO even more important: sandboxing. Applications having access to basically everything just doesn't fit anymore today. It would have made much more sense to concentrate on these technologies and get sandboxing on the desktop, as all the competitors are also still struggling with that.

shadeslayer 11y ago
Containerized apps are coming to Linux soon, there's some effort going on over here : http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xdg-app http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xdg-app There's also Limba : https://github.com/ximion/limba https://github.com/ximion/limba
JupiterMoon 11y ago
Doesn't wayland come with a better security model than X?
0xFFC 11y ago
I think they are smarter than what you think , They know this is not for everybody , and this is not going to replace android/iOS ever. They targeting people like me who are sick of android/iOS because of closeness of platform.Even canonical with its huge budget admits they don't have plan to replace iOS/android (which as you told is too late for such product , even for Microsoft which have shitload of money ) but they targeting specific user's. p.s. This is my understanding as simple end-user.I might be wrong.
- tdkl 11y ago
  There is no money in targeting the couple %. Hell, there's almost no money in Android either unless you're Samsung.
  - 0xFFC 11y ago
    There is no money in android ? That is one of the funniest thing I ever heard in my entire life ! Just calculate how much android brought people to the internet , Then multiple it by some rate , it will be the money google make from advertising on android platform . How much internet going to grow , Google income will be grow also. Every search , Every app which you download from google play , It is direct money which goes into google's pocket, Put aside Google play income which it will get from every transaction _ 30% I think , I am not sure _ (which is huge but let assume google spend all of it on android ecosystem and maintaining). p.s. Targeting does not only imply earning money.
    - tdkl 11y ago
      http://techcrunch.com/2015/02/26/apple-eating-all-the-profits/ http://techcrunch.com/2015/02/26/apple-eating-all-the-profit...
      - 0xFFC 11y ago
        You clearly misunderstood the article.As I mentioned eariler Yes , there is no profit in selling Android products _hardware:some , software:none_( which indeed article talks about that) , but that is not Google's strategy at all.Please search and read about Google's making money strategy. Remember Android is "strategy" for Google, "point" is to bring more and more people to cloud/internet.thats why Android as software developed and available from Google for free.
  - seba_dos1 11y ago
    So what? What money is there in KDE as a whole?
wvh 11y ago
I see where you're coming from but being able to leverage open-source software written in (at least) Qt as well as existing and upcoming Linux security features should alleviate some of those concerns. An Apple app store approach surely isn't the only way to distribute apps and "create a community". One way or the other, open-source software should run on mobile to remain relevant in the future, and I think we should be supportive to those projects and people who try to build some momentum, often with minimal resources.
zanny 11y ago
Kubuntu already uses MAC, and since this is using Muon they can plug whatever app store they want in, including kde-apps. If they wanted to, they could mandate the inclusion of AppArmor permissions files with apps, and then present the requested permissions to users at install, or even more easily do what Android M does and prompt the first time an access permission is invoked. That, and xdg-app is a thing. They will probably just use those. But there are a lot of ways to do sandboxing of apps on modern Linux.

shadeslayer 11y ago

Containerized apps are coming to Linux soon, there's some effort going on over here : http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xdg-app http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xdg-app There's also Limba : https://github.com/ximion/limba https://github.com/ximion/limba

JupiterMoon 11y ago

Doesn't wayland come with a better security model than X?

0xFFC 11y ago

I think they are smarter than what you think , They know this is not for everybody , and this is not going to replace android/iOS ever. They targeting people like me who are sick of android/iOS because of closeness of platform.Even canonical with its huge budget admits they don't have plan to replace iOS/android (which as you told is too late for such product , even for Microsoft which have shitload of money ) but they targeting specific user's. p.s. This is my understanding as simple end-user.I might be wrong.

tdkl 11y ago
There is no money in targeting the couple %. Hell, there's almost no money in Android either unless you're Samsung.
- 0xFFC 11y ago
  There is no money in android ? That is one of the funniest thing I ever heard in my entire life ! Just calculate how much android brought people to the internet , Then multiple it by some rate , it will be the money google make from advertising on android platform . How much internet going to grow , Google income will be grow also. Every search , Every app which you download from google play , It is direct money which goes into google's pocket, Put aside Google play income which it will get from every transaction _ 30% I think , I am not sure _ (which is huge but let assume google spend all of it on android ecosystem and maintaining). p.s. Targeting does not only imply earning money.
  - tdkl 11y ago
    http://techcrunch.com/2015/02/26/apple-eating-all-the-profits/ http://techcrunch.com/2015/02/26/apple-eating-all-the-profit...
    - 0xFFC 11y ago
      You clearly misunderstood the article.As I mentioned eariler Yes , there is no profit in selling Android products _hardware:some , software:none_( which indeed article talks about that) , but that is not Google's strategy at all.Please search and read about Google's making money strategy. Remember Android is "strategy" for Google, "point" is to bring more and more people to cloud/internet.thats why Android as software developed and available from Google for free.
- seba_dos1 11y ago
  So what? What money is there in KDE as a whole?

wvh 11y ago

I see where you're coming from but being able to leverage open-source software written in (at least) Qt as well as existing and upcoming Linux security features should alleviate some of those concerns. An Apple app store approach surely isn't the only way to distribute apps and "create a community". One way or the other, open-source software should run on mobile to remain relevant in the future, and I think we should be supportive to those projects and people who try to build some momentum, often with minimal resources.

zanny 11y ago

Kubuntu already uses MAC, and since this is using Muon they can plug whatever app store they want in, including kde-apps. If they wanted to, they could mandate the inclusion of AppArmor permissions files with apps, and then present the requested permissions to users at install, or even more easily do what Android M does and prompt the first time an access permission is invoked. That, and xdg-app is a thing. They will probably just use those. But there are a lot of ways to do sandboxing of apps on modern Linux.