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Is Clojure used for any particularly interesting tasks in which it results in a massive improvement in performance, efficiency, or TCO? Is there any specific c

by numair 17y ago

Is Clojure used for any particularly interesting tasks in which it results in a massive improvement in performance, efficiency, or TCO? Is there any specific community of users who are doing commercially-applicable stuff with Clojure? I don't know a lot about Clojure, but if it is gaining a following for some sort of commercial application, it would make sense to start "The Clojure Company" and sell support contracts, training, etc.; if this is the case there's no reason this guy should be asking for handouts (he should be raising funding!). But again, hoping people from the Clojure community can enlighten me. I am sure some large Silicon Valley company could hire him to add to their pet collection, but that'd be totally boring, especially if Clojure has real commercial applications... Edit: I should note -- if there aren't any specific domains in which Clojure is either necessary or an improvement, it may just be a nice curiosity (like most programming languages), and the author is making a wise decision; again, I know very little.

va_coder 17y ago
Another idea: A jobs posting site with a focus on Clojure jobs. Training, with an emphasis on why Clojure matters and how it can help your org? I thought Clojure hit the tipping point this year. I'm surprised Rick Hickey is hurting for money.
- runevault 17y ago
  He is doing the pragprog training in Reston this year with Stuart Halloway, though who knows how many people will go to the east coast for training. I know I'm not, though I'd love to get in on one of those sessions.
  - bwanab 17y ago
    A few of us actually live on the east coast.
- icey 17y ago
  I don't think the Clojure community is as large as you think it is. Pragmatic Studios are putting on a Clojure training course in March, but otherwise how would Rich have made any money on Clojure so far? He hasn't written any books and doesn't charge for anything - all that has been available for him so far is the "Donate" link on clojure.org, but it's never really been publicized.
  - technomancy 17y ago
    He gets 10% of the sales from the Peepcode screencast on Clojure: http://peepcode.com/products/functional-programming-with-clojure http://peepcode.com/products/functional-programming-with-clo... It's not much in the big picture, but I suppose every little bit helps.
    - icey 17y ago
      I had no idea that Rich got anything from the screencast, that's great :)
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- swannodette 17y ago
  Tipping point in terms of visibility yes. Rich Hickey has spent 3 years of his life creating Clojure. He's watched the popularity of the language boom and commercial ventures using Clojure take off. Rich knows he could probably do just fine consulting on Clojure. However that means he doesn't get to ... work on Clojure. He's basically saying, "Hey guys, I want to keep hacking on this thing like a madman as I have for 3 years now. I don't want to do side projects. Let's make it happen". It reminds me a bit about Benedict de Spinoza and Robert Musil. In both cases friends were fascinated by their writing, and they pooled some money together so the writer could - focus on writing.
jluxenberg 17y ago
Rich isn't asking for handouts, he's asking for funding for a project which users derive a lot of value from. I think we can all agree that software takes time to develop, and everyone's time is worth something. I think Rich's time developing Clojure is worth quite a lot and to call wanting to get paid for one's time asking for a "handout" is just totally unreasonable. I've been thinking about picking up Clojure in my spare time and if I find that it suits my needs you can be sure I'll be donating.
joubert 17y ago
http://www.infoq.com/articles/flightcaster-clojure-rails http://www.infoq.com/articles/flightcaster-clojure-rails
alex_stoddard 17y ago
I infer from the post that Rich Hickey still desires to spend the bulk of his time doing core development of Clojure. This is different from doing whatever it takes to make a living from Clojure. Is seems the only "business models" for open source development, for the love of it, are akin to historic patronage systems. The difference is that one can now have "crowd patronage" rather than court patronage. However that still depends on being both very lucky and very good. I hope Rich Hickey is the former, clojure speaks for itself on the latter.
gaius 17y ago
it would make sense to start "The Clojure Company" and sell support contracts, training, etc I would certainly be willing to buy 1 share of CLOJ. Isn't that how companies are supposed to raise capital?

by numair 17y ago

va_coder 17y ago

Another idea: A jobs posting site with a focus on Clojure jobs. Training, with an emphasis on why Clojure matters and how it can help your org? I thought Clojure hit the tipping point this year. I'm surprised Rick Hickey is hurting for money.

runevault 17y ago
He is doing the pragprog training in Reston this year with Stuart Halloway, though who knows how many people will go to the east coast for training. I know I'm not, though I'd love to get in on one of those sessions.
- bwanab 17y ago
  A few of us actually live on the east coast.
icey 17y ago
I don't think the Clojure community is as large as you think it is. Pragmatic Studios are putting on a Clojure training course in March, but otherwise how would Rich have made any money on Clojure so far? He hasn't written any books and doesn't charge for anything - all that has been available for him so far is the "Donate" link on clojure.org, but it's never really been publicized.
- technomancy 17y ago
  He gets 10% of the sales from the Peepcode screencast on Clojure: http://peepcode.com/products/functional-programming-with-clojure http://peepcode.com/products/functional-programming-with-clo... It's not much in the big picture, but I suppose every little bit helps.
  - icey 17y ago
    I had no idea that Rich got anything from the screencast, that's great :)
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swannodette 17y ago
Tipping point in terms of visibility yes. Rich Hickey has spent 3 years of his life creating Clojure. He's watched the popularity of the language boom and commercial ventures using Clojure take off. Rich knows he could probably do just fine consulting on Clojure. However that means he doesn't get to ... work on Clojure. He's basically saying, "Hey guys, I want to keep hacking on this thing like a madman as I have for 3 years now. I don't want to do side projects. Let's make it happen". It reminds me a bit about Benedict de Spinoza and Robert Musil. In both cases friends were fascinated by their writing, and they pooled some money together so the writer could - focus on writing.

jluxenberg 17y ago

Rich isn't asking for handouts, he's asking for funding for a project which users derive a lot of value from. I think we can all agree that software takes time to develop, and everyone's time is worth something. I think Rich's time developing Clojure is worth quite a lot and to call wanting to get paid for one's time asking for a "handout" is just totally unreasonable. I've been thinking about picking up Clojure in my spare time and if I find that it suits my needs you can be sure I'll be donating.

joubert 17y ago

http://www.infoq.com/articles/flightcaster-clojure-rails http://www.infoq.com/articles/flightcaster-clojure-rails

alex_stoddard 17y ago

I infer from the post that Rich Hickey still desires to spend the bulk of his time doing core development of Clojure. This is different from doing whatever it takes to make a living from Clojure. Is seems the only "business models" for open source development, for the love of it, are akin to historic patronage systems. The difference is that one can now have "crowd patronage" rather than court patronage. However that still depends on being both very lucky and very good. I hope Rich Hickey is the former, clojure speaks for itself on the latter.

gaius 17y ago

it would make sense to start "The Clojure Company" and sell support contracts, training, etc I would certainly be willing to buy 1 share of CLOJ. Isn't that how companies are supposed to raise capital?