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Those oppressed groups mostly came "unbent" because they stopped putting up with their oppressors and started killing them. Are you even at all aware of the hi

by jarcane 11y ago

Those oppressed groups mostly came "unbent" because they stopped putting up with their oppressors and started killing them. Are you even at all aware of the history of any of the examples you just cited?

cousin_it 11y ago
Jewish folks and South Asian folks overcame discrimination from Americans by killing them? Are you from Earth-2? Read Steven Dutch's essay "The world's most toxic value system" [1] before you recommend violence as a solution to any group's problems. It's a comfortably direct approach, but it backfires. It creates a class of violent people who will push others down, so the group as a whole stays down. [1] http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/pseudosc/toxicval.htm http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/pseudosc/toxicval.htm
- jarcane 11y ago
  I didn't recommend anything. I just suggested one become a little more familiar with history before making absurd claims and value judgements against whole races of people. Every single one of the cited examples had to fight bloody wars of independence against occupation before their refugees were even seen as human. We enslaved the Chinese. We used the Irish in proxy wars between street gangs that still are going on today in parts of the Northeast. The Jews spend hundreds of years trying to assimilate into European society, and then the Germans killed 6 million of them. We gave them back their own country. Out of guilt. Spouting a bunch of stereotypes about the local immigrant population is a pretty fucking ignorant view of that history.
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  - cousin_it 11y ago
    I just tried to educate myself about the Chinese getting enslaved and fighting a war for independence, but unfortunately I failed. Which events are you referring to?
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mc32 11y ago
Perhaps they were referring to the respective diasporas who succeeded by investing in their own education. The groups cited tend to be high academic achievers or at least put great emphasis on academics so much so that American born sometimes avoid some school districts with high achieving groups for being over competitive.
theorique 11y ago
Asians started killing white Americans to get into the Ivy League? I think I missed that one.

by jarcane 11y ago

cousin_it 11y ago

Jewish folks and South Asian folks overcame discrimination from Americans by killing them? Are you from Earth-2? Read Steven Dutch's essay "The world's most toxic value system" [1] before you recommend violence as a solution to any group's problems. It's a comfortably direct approach, but it backfires. It creates a class of violent people who will push others down, so the group as a whole stays down. [1] http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/pseudosc/toxicval.htm http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/pseudosc/toxicval.htm

jarcane 11y ago
I didn't recommend anything. I just suggested one become a little more familiar with history before making absurd claims and value judgements against whole races of people. Every single one of the cited examples had to fight bloody wars of independence against occupation before their refugees were even seen as human. We enslaved the Chinese. We used the Irish in proxy wars between street gangs that still are going on today in parts of the Northeast. The Jews spend hundreds of years trying to assimilate into European society, and then the Germans killed 6 million of them. We gave them back their own country. Out of guilt. Spouting a bunch of stereotypes about the local immigrant population is a pretty fucking ignorant view of that history.
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- cousin_it 11y ago
  I just tried to educate myself about the Chinese getting enslaved and fighting a war for independence, but unfortunately I failed. Which events are you referring to?

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mc32 11y ago

Perhaps they were referring to the respective diasporas who succeeded by investing in their own education. The groups cited tend to be high academic achievers or at least put great emphasis on academics so much so that American born sometimes avoid some school districts with high achieving groups for being over competitive.

theorique 11y ago

Asians started killing white Americans to get into the Ivy League? I think I missed that one.