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Using perpetrator and victims in this context dilutes and devalues the meaning of those words. Also misogyny is not an act, so it cannot be perpetrated. My ex

Using perpetrator and victims in this context dilutes and devalues the meaning of those words. Also misogyny is not an act, so it cannot be perpetrated. My experience with women in tech is that they are smart, strong, foul mouthed, sarcastic, heavy drinkers and awesome dirty joke storytellers. They are the creme de la creme.

smacktoward 11y ago
> My experience with women in tech is that they are smart, strong, foul mouthed, sarcastic, heavy drinkers and awesome dirty joke storytellers. In other words, they're "one of the guys." Which kind of summarizes the whole problem -- women who want careers in tech who aren't naturally "one of the guys" either have to learn to pretend that they are, denying their entire personality in order to fit in, or find another line of work.
- venomsnake 11y ago
  Or there are a lot more women that can be "one of the guys" but their upbringing and the culture imposed onto them fucks them up?
  - justizin 11y ago
    > fucks them up? How is not being "one of the guys" a result of having been fucked up?
  - KingMob 11y ago
    Why not turn that around? "Or there are a lot more men that can be "accepting of women's perspectives" but their upbringing and the culture imposed on them fucks them up?" E.g., beliefs in being the sole breadwinner, beliefs that women are less suited for STEM work, that men are (or should be) superior to women, my workplace should be like my frat house, etc. It's great for women that can be one of the guys (e.g., Meredith), but why is that a requirement to work in software?
- ay483745 11y ago
  Unless my browser's find feature is broken, this is the first time the term "one of the guys" has been introduced to this discussion. Wouldn't a fairer summary of the whole problem include anyone of any gender who isn't naturally "one of the guys"?

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Using perpetrator and victims in this context dilutes and devalues the meaning of those words. Also misogyny is not an act, so it cannot be perpetrated. My ex

by venomsnake 11y ago

smacktoward 11y ago
> My experience with women in tech is that they are smart, strong, foul mouthed, sarcastic, heavy drinkers and awesome dirty joke storytellers. In other words, they're "one of the guys." Which kind of summarizes the whole problem -- women who want careers in tech who aren't naturally "one of the guys" either have to learn to pretend that they are, denying their entire personality in order to fit in, or find another line of work.
- venomsnake 11y ago
  Or there are a lot more women that can be "one of the guys" but their upbringing and the culture imposed onto them fucks them up?
  - justizin 11y ago
    > fucks them up? How is not being "one of the guys" a result of having been fucked up?
  - KingMob 11y ago
    Why not turn that around? "Or there are a lot more men that can be "accepting of women's perspectives" but their upbringing and the culture imposed on them fucks them up?" E.g., beliefs in being the sole breadwinner, beliefs that women are less suited for STEM work, that men are (or should be) superior to women, my workplace should be like my frat house, etc. It's great for women that can be one of the guys (e.g., Meredith), but why is that a requirement to work in software?
- ay483745 11y ago
  Unless my browser's find feature is broken, this is the first time the term "one of the guys" has been introduced to this discussion. Wouldn't a fairer summary of the whole problem include anyone of any gender who isn't naturally "one of the guys"?