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The complicated thing about an article like this is that her experiences are definitely valid, it isn't hard to see where she is coming from, and I'm actually g

by marijn 11y ago

The complicated thing about an article like this is that her experiences are definitely valid, it isn't hard to see where she is coming from, and I'm actually glad to read a piece from this perspective. Yet I can't help but already hear the ugly gloating and coopting of the MRAs before I even got to the predictable comments at the bottom. Can we separate intent from effect, of should we expect every blogger to be politically savvy enough to preempt such coopting by explicitly distancing herself from the MRA/gamergate toads?

traverseda 11y ago
From another article of hers, [when nerds collide](https://medium.com/@maradydd/when-nerds-collide-31895b01e68c https://medium.com/@maradydd/when-nerds-collide-31895b01e68c) >[ ... ] much of the backlash from weird nerds against “brogrammers” and “geek feminists” alike. (If you thought the conflict was only between those two groups, or that someone who criticises one group must necessarily be a member of the other, then you haven’t been paying close enough attention.) Both groups are latecomers barging in on a cultural space that was once a respite for us, and we don’t appreciate either group bringing its cultural conflicts into our space in a way that demands we choose one side or the other. That’s a false dichotomy, and false dichotomies make us want to tear our hair out. Also, I'm not sure I'm seeing the "predictable comments" that you are.
- ehvatum 11y ago
  > Also, I'm not sure I'm seeing the "predictable comments" that you are. I caught that as well. The ritualized combat the GP assumed was there actually isn't. GP basically burst into the AV club and shouted a rejoinder to an insult that wasn't given. Debate club is just down the hall. Go bother those people, GP.
- marijn 11y ago
  The single comment below is exactly the self-indulgent whining against feminism in general I was expecting (as are some of the comments on here on HN)
  - dvdcxn 11y ago
    To be fair, your posts read like self indulgent whining about those who you profess to self indulgently whine.

by marijn 11y ago

traverseda 11y ago

From another article of hers, [when nerds collide](https://medium.com/@maradydd/when-nerds-collide-31895b01e68c https://medium.com/@maradydd/when-nerds-collide-31895b01e68c) >[ ... ] much of the backlash from weird nerds against “brogrammers” and “geek feminists” alike. (If you thought the conflict was only between those two groups, or that someone who criticises one group must necessarily be a member of the other, then you haven’t been paying close enough attention.) Both groups are latecomers barging in on a cultural space that was once a respite for us, and we don’t appreciate either group bringing its cultural conflicts into our space in a way that demands we choose one side or the other. That’s a false dichotomy, and false dichotomies make us want to tear our hair out. Also, I'm not sure I'm seeing the "predictable comments" that you are.

ehvatum 11y ago
> Also, I'm not sure I'm seeing the "predictable comments" that you are. I caught that as well. The ritualized combat the GP assumed was there actually isn't. GP basically burst into the AV club and shouted a rejoinder to an insult that wasn't given. Debate club is just down the hall. Go bother those people, GP.
marijn 11y ago
The single comment below is exactly the self-indulgent whining against feminism in general I was expecting (as are some of the comments on here on HN)
- dvdcxn 11y ago
  To be fair, your posts read like self indulgent whining about those who you profess to self indulgently whine.