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I always have difficulty understanding what people expect here. How can they expect companies not to reward the people that progress in their career while other

by hueving 11y ago

I always have difficulty understanding what people expect here. How can they expect companies not to reward the people that progress in their career while others interrupt their career? Are we supposed to just unfairly give people the same salaries when one worked part time instead for 4 years?

onion2k 11y ago
Are we supposed to just unfairly give people the same salaries when one worked part time instead for 4 years? We're supposed to fairly reward two people the same for doing the same job. If you have more experience then you should have more responsibilities - that is what should increase your wage, not simply "time served".
- bbarn 11y ago
  Experience is worth paying for as well, not simply responsibilities. There's an entire industry called "consulting" based around that.
- hueving 11y ago
  There are almost no jobs where two people are doing exactly the same thing where experience doesn't matter. It's idiotic to think an employer would prefer someone with less experience to do a job, regardless of responsibilities. Because employers prefer experience, that is reflected in the market value of the employees.
clearf 11y ago
One thought is that we could reframe the question (as e.g., Sweden has done) and work to increasing gender equality. If the starting point is recognizing that people have kids and it takes time to care for them, and both parents have that right and obligation. From there, one could devise policies that encourage BOTH men and women to take parental leave and invest in high-quality childcare for when that parental leave is over.
- hueving 11y ago
  What if a parent chooses not to take that time?
- moistgorilla 11y ago
  > and both parents have that right and obligation Obligation? yes, right? not really
chipotle_coyote 11y ago
I wasn't offering a prescription with my comment, just observing that the evidence suggests the gender wage gap is a Real Thing. But: Are we supposed to just unfairly give people the same salaries when one worked part time instead for 4 years? Let's dig into that a bit. Suppose Bob and Agatha are both working full-time at the same company as, for the sake of example, sales engineers, and they're both making $100K. Agatha goes on maternity leave, and afterward the company agrees to keep her on as a part-time sales engineer, working 25 hours a week at $62.5K. If, after four years, she and Bob both apply for full-time senior sales positions, is it "unfair" for Agatha to be offered the same salary as Bob?

by hueving 11y ago

onion2k 11y ago

Are we supposed to just unfairly give people the same salaries when one worked part time instead for 4 years? We're supposed to fairly reward two people the same for doing the same job. If you have more experience then you should have more responsibilities - that is what should increase your wage, not simply "time served".

bbarn 11y ago
Experience is worth paying for as well, not simply responsibilities. There's an entire industry called "consulting" based around that.
hueving 11y ago
There are almost no jobs where two people are doing exactly the same thing where experience doesn't matter. It's idiotic to think an employer would prefer someone with less experience to do a job, regardless of responsibilities. Because employers prefer experience, that is reflected in the market value of the employees.

clearf 11y ago

One thought is that we could reframe the question (as e.g., Sweden has done) and work to increasing gender equality. If the starting point is recognizing that people have kids and it takes time to care for them, and both parents have that right and obligation. From there, one could devise policies that encourage BOTH men and women to take parental leave and invest in high-quality childcare for when that parental leave is over.

hueving 11y ago
What if a parent chooses not to take that time?
moistgorilla 11y ago
> and both parents have that right and obligation Obligation? yes, right? not really

chipotle_coyote 11y ago

I wasn't offering a prescription with my comment, just observing that the evidence suggests the gender wage gap is a Real Thing. But: Are we supposed to just unfairly give people the same salaries when one worked part time instead for 4 years? Let's dig into that a bit. Suppose Bob and Agatha are both working full-time at the same company as, for the sake of example, sales engineers, and they're both making $100K. Agatha goes on maternity leave, and afterward the company agrees to keep her on as a part-time sales engineer, working 25 hours a week at $62.5K. If, after four years, she and Bob both apply for full-time senior sales positions, is it "unfair" for Agatha to be offered the same salary as Bob?