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"oh no" that Firefox is dropping support for a slightly older technology (again)? "oh no" that GTK2 is a sinking ship that everyone is fleeing from? or do you

"oh no" that Firefox is dropping support for a slightly older technology (again)? "oh no" that GTK2 is a sinking ship that everyone is fleeing from? or do you mean "oh no" that Firefox is going to be at the center of yet another incendiary (and ultimately fruitless) debate. Because I can agree that any one of those is a good reason to say "oh no".

__david__ 11y ago
I've been out of the gtk loop for a while now—I built a couple apps on gtk2 back in the day. What is wrong with gtk3? Why would this be controversial at all?
- keithpeter 11y ago
  Good question. Suppose I have a KDE based desktop which I gather uses qt as the widget library. Am I going to have another subset of libraries to run Firefox?
  - JoshTriplett 11y ago
    You would whether Firefox used GTK+2 or GTK+3.
    - johnny22 11y ago
      and to be specific, firefox has used gtk2 for ages
      - kuschku 11y ago
        Well, there is a qt port. It’s really nice, but it isn’t really activate anymore. Currently I use a lot of hacks to get proper file selection dialogs in Firefox, as the GTK dialogs are just horrible to use.
- cjsthompson 11y ago
  Gtk+ 3 is part of the modern degenerate conspiracy along with systemd and other abominations such as kdbus to destroy Linux by straying from the time-honored ancestral traditions of UNIX which were devised when men were still true hardworking men, that spent hours of sweat and tears configuring their window managers and compiling kernel modules as was ordained by the ancients.
  - babuskov 11y ago
    Do you have a blog? I like the way you write and would like to read more.
    - johnchristopher 11y ago
      https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=cjsthompson https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=cjsthompson
  - newuserggs 11y ago
    ggs ... if you feel this way then create a for profit service that makes money ... like nginx ... keeping things alive is about having minions to work for you
- mhogomchungu 11y ago
  Below link may shed some light on gtk3 controversy. https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/gnome-et-al-rotting-in-threes/ https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/gnome-et-al-rotti...
- mwfunk 11y ago
  I don't have a definitive answer, but I think it'd be from association with Gnome 3, which draws out all sorts of pointless and tiresome flame wars amongst people who thrive on creating (and then wading into) emotionally charged drama about software, of all things. :(
- jeltz 11y ago
  It is the new theming engine in gtk3 which does not seem mature (or maybe there just are no good skins yet).
blackle 11y ago
Its actually because I hate gtk3 theming. Every update seems to break something & figuring out what css rule to change is hell and a half. So my knee-jerk reaction to say 'oh no' is just frustration that yet another app is going to start looking funny every time I update my system
- JoshTriplett 11y ago
  Personally, I'm happy that Firefox will finally respect the theming that applies to all of my other applications.
cbd1984 11y ago
I'm voting for "bowl of petunias", and it got cut off before it could say "not again". The relevance of the "not again" is immediately apparent to people who've gone through a few GUI toolkits.
- whoopdedo 11y ago
  I would have thought the whale would be more appropriate seeing as we're talking about GTK+3 (and thus by association, GNOME).

__david__ 11y ago

I've been out of the gtk loop for a while now—I built a couple apps on gtk2 back in the day. What is wrong with gtk3? Why would this be controversial at all?

keithpeter 11y ago
Good question. Suppose I have a KDE based desktop which I gather uses qt as the widget library. Am I going to have another subset of libraries to run Firefox?
- JoshTriplett 11y ago
  You would whether Firefox used GTK+2 or GTK+3.
  - johnny22 11y ago
    and to be specific, firefox has used gtk2 for ages
    - kuschku 11y ago
      Well, there is a qt port. It’s really nice, but it isn’t really activate anymore. Currently I use a lot of hacks to get proper file selection dialogs in Firefox, as the GTK dialogs are just horrible to use.
cjsthompson 11y ago
Gtk+ 3 is part of the modern degenerate conspiracy along with systemd and other abominations such as kdbus to destroy Linux by straying from the time-honored ancestral traditions of UNIX which were devised when men were still true hardworking men, that spent hours of sweat and tears configuring their window managers and compiling kernel modules as was ordained by the ancients.
- babuskov 11y ago
  Do you have a blog? I like the way you write and would like to read more.
  - johnchristopher 11y ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=cjsthompson https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=cjsthompson
- newuserggs 11y ago
  ggs ... if you feel this way then create a for profit service that makes money ... like nginx ... keeping things alive is about having minions to work for you
mhogomchungu 11y ago
Below link may shed some light on gtk3 controversy. https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/gnome-et-al-rotting-in-threes/ https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/gnome-et-al-rotti...
mwfunk 11y ago
I don't have a definitive answer, but I think it'd be from association with Gnome 3, which draws out all sorts of pointless and tiresome flame wars amongst people who thrive on creating (and then wading into) emotionally charged drama about software, of all things. :(
jeltz 11y ago
It is the new theming engine in gtk3 which does not seem mature (or maybe there just are no good skins yet).

blackle 11y ago

Its actually because I hate gtk3 theming. Every update seems to break something & figuring out what css rule to change is hell and a half. So my knee-jerk reaction to say 'oh no' is just frustration that yet another app is going to start looking funny every time I update my system

JoshTriplett 11y ago
Personally, I'm happy that Firefox will finally respect the theming that applies to all of my other applications.

cbd1984 11y ago

I'm voting for "bowl of petunias", and it got cut off before it could say "not again". The relevance of the "not again" is immediately apparent to people who've gone through a few GUI toolkits.

whoopdedo 11y ago
I would have thought the whale would be more appropriate seeing as we're talking about GTK+3 (and thus by association, GNOME).