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> Then, he met his co-founder Maria De La Croix, through a feminist organization. As part of that movement, they protested the average pay gap between women and

> Then, he met his co-founder Maria De La Croix, through a feminist organization. As part of that movement, they protested the average pay gap between women and men by burning the extra wages he hypothetically earned because he was a man. Wait what? Hasn't this common misconception been debunked, or at least to be shown to be very insignificant when controlling for obvious variables? http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2014/01/28/fact-checking-the-2014-state-of-the-union-address/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2014/01/... http://www.consad.com/content/reports/Gender%20Wage%20Gap%20Final%20Report.pdf http://www.consad.com/content/reports/Gender%20Wage%20Gap%20... http://www.aauw.org/files/2013/02/graduating-to-a-pay-gap-the-earnings-of-women-and-men-one-year-after-college-graduation.pdf http://www.aauw.org/files/2013/02/graduating-to-a-pay-gap-th... http://www.ne.su.se/polopoly_fs/1.99257.1346412310!/menu/standard/file/anna_sandberg.pdf http://www.ne.su.se/polopoly_fs/1.99257.1346412310!/menu/sta... https://www.med.upenn.edu/gastro/documents/WhogoestothebargainingtableTheinfluenceofgenderandframingontheinitiationofnegotiation..pdf https://www.med.upenn.edu/gastro/documents/Whogoestothebarga... http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2014/02/24/childless-women-in-their-twenties-out-earn-men-so/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2014/02/24/childless-wo...

joelrunyon 11y ago
That's not nearly as good of a talking point.
PIC 11y ago
Based on this piece of information alone, I am going to predict that the founders will fail.
- chaostheory 11y ago
  I disagree. The founders seem insane. imo it's a trait that tends to do well with the chaos and adversity of startups. It's not for normal people (at least in the beginning)
- ossreality 11y ago
  You're a coward. Posting on a throwaway because you know it's a shitty thing to say. You're a loser.
chaostheory 11y ago
I could wrong but you seem to be just citing data for the US. Aren't the founders from Europe? Does every country in Europe have fair pay between genders?
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joelrunyon 11y ago
> As part of that movement, they protested the average pay gap between women and men by burning the extra wages he hypothetically earned because he was a man. I feel like the better option would have been to split the difference with a female co-worker?
- tdaltonc 11y ago
  The point was to make it a costly signal.
MariaDeLaCroix 11y ago
https://changeinthe21stcentury.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/pie-chart-cartoon1.gif https://changeinthe21stcentury.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/p...
- Vecrios 11y ago
  I'd have much preferred an honest and evidence-driven response instead of a sarcastic one. This kind of attitude won't help your cause, nor your startups, get the good kind of traction at all. Some food for thought. Good luck!
chipotle_coyote 11y ago
It hasn't been debunked because there is a wage gap, according to the first three articles you linked. You can argue about what constitutes "significant," but the first article notes that according to the BLS, "the gap is 19 cents when looking at weekly wages" and "even smaller, 14 cents, when you look at hourly wages." The AAUW report, which looks specifically at college graduates working full-time, similarly found a gap of 14-19 cents. Also, the first three articles you linked are the meaningful ones here; links 4 and 5 are about gender differences in salary negotiation, and the last is an opinion column. It and the CONSAD report are the only ones of your link set that claim the gender gap is "very insignificant." The variable CONSAD is controlling for, at least from my reading, is "people who have interrupted their careers by temporarily withdrawing from the labor force or switching from full-time to part-time work" -- mostly women who take maternity leave or part-time jobs to raise children. The amount of money those women would make if they hadn't interrupted their career is an interesting data point to determine, but I would argue that by using that "adjusted" amount, CONSAD has moved the goalposts, because that's not the median gender wage gap as actually experienced. The various studies linked to by the WaPo and the AAUW study all seem to be in general agreement around the 14-19 cents range. Whether that's "significant" is subjective, I suppose, but it doesn't strike me as a small amount.
- hueving 11y ago
  I always have difficulty understanding what people expect here. How can they expect companies not to reward the people that progress in their career while others interrupt their career? Are we supposed to just unfairly give people the same salaries when one worked part time instead for 4 years?
  - onion2k 11y ago
    Are we supposed to just unfairly give people the same salaries when one worked part time instead for 4 years? We're supposed to fairly reward two people the same for doing the same job. If you have more experience then you should have more responsibilities - that is what should increase your wage, not simply "time served".
Thriptic 11y ago
Can we please have one discussion on hacker news that doesn't devolve into a discussion about inequality

joelrunyon 11y ago

That's not nearly as good of a talking point.

PIC 11y ago

Based on this piece of information alone, I am going to predict that the founders will fail.

chaostheory 11y ago
I disagree. The founders seem insane. imo it's a trait that tends to do well with the chaos and adversity of startups. It's not for normal people (at least in the beginning)
ossreality 11y ago
You're a coward. Posting on a throwaway because you know it's a shitty thing to say. You're a loser.

chaostheory 11y ago

I could wrong but you seem to be just citing data for the US. Aren't the founders from Europe? Does every country in Europe have fair pay between genders?

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joelrunyon 11y ago

> As part of that movement, they protested the average pay gap between women and men by burning the extra wages he hypothetically earned because he was a man. I feel like the better option would have been to split the difference with a female co-worker?

tdaltonc 11y ago
The point was to make it a costly signal.

MariaDeLaCroix 11y ago

https://changeinthe21stcentury.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/pie-chart-cartoon1.gif https://changeinthe21stcentury.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/p...

Vecrios 11y ago
I'd have much preferred an honest and evidence-driven response instead of a sarcastic one. This kind of attitude won't help your cause, nor your startups, get the good kind of traction at all. Some food for thought. Good luck!

chipotle_coyote 11y ago

It hasn't been debunked because there is a wage gap, according to the first three articles you linked. You can argue about what constitutes "significant," but the first article notes that according to the BLS, "the gap is 19 cents when looking at weekly wages" and "even smaller, 14 cents, when you look at hourly wages." The AAUW report, which looks specifically at college graduates working full-time, similarly found a gap of 14-19 cents. Also, the first three articles you linked are the meaningful ones here; links 4 and 5 are about gender differences in salary negotiation, and the last is an opinion column. It and the CONSAD report are the only ones of your link set that claim the gender gap is "very insignificant." The variable CONSAD is controlling for, at least from my reading, is "people who have interrupted their careers by temporarily withdrawing from the labor force or switching from full-time to part-time work" -- mostly women who take maternity leave or part-time jobs to raise children. The amount of money those women would make if they hadn't interrupted their career is an interesting data point to determine, but I would argue that by using that "adjusted" amount, CONSAD has moved the goalposts, because that's not the median gender wage gap as actually experienced. The various studies linked to by the WaPo and the AAUW study all seem to be in general agreement around the 14-19 cents range. Whether that's "significant" is subjective, I suppose, but it doesn't strike me as a small amount.

hueving 11y ago
I always have difficulty understanding what people expect here. How can they expect companies not to reward the people that progress in their career while others interrupt their career? Are we supposed to just unfairly give people the same salaries when one worked part time instead for 4 years?
- onion2k 11y ago
  Are we supposed to just unfairly give people the same salaries when one worked part time instead for 4 years? We're supposed to fairly reward two people the same for doing the same job. If you have more experience then you should have more responsibilities - that is what should increase your wage, not simply "time served".

Thriptic 11y ago

Can we please have one discussion on hacker news that doesn't devolve into a discussion about inequality