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A few other differences - you don't interface with developers, price is guaranteed, costs are lower because dev talent isn't in house (no holding cost).

fweespeech 11y ago
Have you ever worked at an outsourcing company? That is literally how it works at many of them, just fyi. I'd strongly, strongly recommend you hire someone who does PM for one of those companies if you are as oblivious to how they work as that statement just made it appear. > A few other differences - you don't interface with developers, Yeah, plenty of them just want you to talk to the PM. The only time I was ever brought into meetings was when it was a very, very large customer [e.g. Bigger than Zynga] and the contract was 7 figures. > price is guaranteed, Prices are often fixed in outsourcing contracts at a per-project price with a list of deliverables and features. > costs are lower because dev talent isn't in house (no holding cost). I've worked with outsourcing companies where they paid per-project or per-hour a specific project [usually projects under $20k] as their sole model. I worked with 2-3 at a time and just kept the apprised of my availability, one usually was the bread and butter while the other two handed me small projects [usually 80 hours or less].
exelius 11y ago
You mean just like I can get with Infosys or any of the boutique software dev consultants? Most of those guys don't even bother with the type of rapid prototyping it seems like you guys do because the margins are crap and the collection rate is abysmal. The client always expects more than can be delivered at the price point and then refuses to pay on the basis of non-fulfillment. Sure, you can go after them, but a single lawsuit will cost you half of the value of one of your projects. Prepayment isn't an option because you'd need to use something other than credit cards -- the chargeback rate would be far too high for any payment processor to keep you as a client.
WalterSear 11y ago
That's a ridiculously trite response.

fweespeech 11y ago

Have you ever worked at an outsourcing company? That is literally how it works at many of them, just fyi. I'd strongly, strongly recommend you hire someone who does PM for one of those companies if you are as oblivious to how they work as that statement just made it appear. > A few other differences - you don't interface with developers, Yeah, plenty of them just want you to talk to the PM. The only time I was ever brought into meetings was when it was a very, very large customer [e.g. Bigger than Zynga] and the contract was 7 figures. > price is guaranteed, Prices are often fixed in outsourcing contracts at a per-project price with a list of deliverables and features. > costs are lower because dev talent isn't in house (no holding cost). I've worked with outsourcing companies where they paid per-project or per-hour a specific project [usually projects under $20k] as their sole model. I worked with 2-3 at a time and just kept the apprised of my availability, one usually was the bread and butter while the other two handed me small projects [usually 80 hours or less].

exelius 11y ago

You mean just like I can get with Infosys or any of the boutique software dev consultants? Most of those guys don't even bother with the type of rapid prototyping it seems like you guys do because the margins are crap and the collection rate is abysmal. The client always expects more than can be delivered at the price point and then refuses to pay on the basis of non-fulfillment. Sure, you can go after them, but a single lawsuit will cost you half of the value of one of your projects. Prepayment isn't an option because you'd need to use something other than credit cards -- the chargeback rate would be far too high for any payment processor to keep you as a client.

WalterSear 11y ago

That's a ridiculously trite response.