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Police should be trained, and it should be a point of pride for them, to be ultra-cool in the face of upset or rude people. There should be no incentive for arr

by prawn 11y ago

Police should be trained, and it should be a point of pride for them, to be ultra-cool in the face of upset or rude people. There should be no incentive for arrest in a situation like this, no power struggle, but instead they should be proud and rewarded for having deescalated any non-violent situation. Think about the famously robotic Queen's Guards in the UK. Insults or bait should roll off police like water from a duck's back. In this case, the woman was irritated because she was being penalised for a really, really minor infraction. And then she was defensive because persisting with the cigarette request and the demand to leave the car seemed unfair. And then she was rude because he was abusing his authority and he was too embarrassed to acquiesce to a member of the public (giving him the benefit of the doubt that it wasn't because she was a woman and a black woman). The police should accept in the first, explain in the second and then deescalate in the third stage of a case like this.

DanBC 11y ago
> Think about the famously robotic Queen's Guards in the UK. Insults or bait should roll off police like water from a duck's back. But that's not about de-escalation training. That's about focus on duties. You poke a toe over the wrong line and you're going to get aggressively yelled at, or shoved. https://youtube.com/watch?v=e65-wLp1yyI https://youtube.com/watch?v=e65-wLp1yyI https://youtube.com/watch?v=NKOj1sQh3Jw https://youtube.com/watch?v=NKOj1sQh3Jw https://youtube.com/watch?v=_bW4bRcEVEk https://youtube.com/watch?v=_bW4bRcEVEk https://youtube.com/watch?v=xDPK1kPWj1E https://youtube.com/watch?v=xDPK1kPWj1E These are armed soldiers, not police.
- prawn 11y ago
  I think it goes without saying that there's a line. And also that they're still famously robotic. The police should react appropriately when faced with violence or an especially difficult customer, but their focus on duties should be to minimise fiery situations where they can.
FireBeyond 11y ago
"Police should be trained, and it should be a point of pride for them, to be ultra-cool in the face of upset or rude people." They are trained in de-escalation techniques. The issue is that in so many of these videos, it's not the person they've stopped or arrested, but the police themselves being the ones _actively_ escalating a situation until a use of force is near inevitable.
- prawn 11y ago
  Of course. Obviously their training is not enough (or not on-going), their culture is poor, or the wrong sorts of people are being recruited. I can appreciate that police would develop a strong us-vs-them reaction when dealing with organised crime for example, but there's little excuse for extending that a woman pulled over for not indicating when changing lanes. That was a real opportunity to give her a reminder, not warn or ticket her, and rebuild a really fractured relationship that people can have with their police.

by prawn 11y ago

DanBC 11y ago

> Think about the famously robotic Queen's Guards in the UK. Insults or bait should roll off police like water from a duck's back. But that's not about de-escalation training. That's about focus on duties. You poke a toe over the wrong line and you're going to get aggressively yelled at, or shoved. https://youtube.com/watch?v=e65-wLp1yyI https://youtube.com/watch?v=e65-wLp1yyI https://youtube.com/watch?v=NKOj1sQh3Jw https://youtube.com/watch?v=NKOj1sQh3Jw https://youtube.com/watch?v=_bW4bRcEVEk https://youtube.com/watch?v=_bW4bRcEVEk https://youtube.com/watch?v=xDPK1kPWj1E https://youtube.com/watch?v=xDPK1kPWj1E These are armed soldiers, not police.

prawn 11y ago
I think it goes without saying that there's a line. And also that they're still famously robotic. The police should react appropriately when faced with violence or an especially difficult customer, but their focus on duties should be to minimise fiery situations where they can.

FireBeyond 11y ago

"Police should be trained, and it should be a point of pride for them, to be ultra-cool in the face of upset or rude people." They are trained in de-escalation techniques. The issue is that in so many of these videos, it's not the person they've stopped or arrested, but the police themselves being the ones _actively_ escalating a situation until a use of force is near inevitable.

prawn 11y ago
Of course. Obviously their training is not enough (or not on-going), their culture is poor, or the wrong sorts of people are being recruited. I can appreciate that police would develop a strong us-vs-them reaction when dealing with organised crime for example, but there's little excuse for extending that a woman pulled over for not indicating when changing lanes. That was a real opportunity to give her a reminder, not warn or ticket her, and rebuild a really fractured relationship that people can have with their police.