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Cause you're entitled to start a conversation with every girl that seems interesting to you right? edit: because people here can't comprehend the view from the

by comrh 11y ago

Cause you're entitled to start a conversation with every girl that seems interesting to you right? edit: because people here can't comprehend the view from the other side, maybe louis ck can help: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDh4qk1Tl8k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDh4qk1Tl8k

jakub_h 11y ago
Aren't people entitled to start a conversation with anyone they want? (Outside of some very traditional pre-modern societies where certain people are not even allowed at all to talk to certain other people, mostly by kinship.)
- intopieces 11y ago
  What's your phone number? I think you're on to something, I'd like to call you and hear more about what you think.
irishcoffee 11y ago
So if you start a conversation with someone and its welcome, no big deal, but if its not welcome, its entitlement and microaggressive? Wat?
- comrh 11y ago
  Yes, sometimes. Because "approaching women who are strangers, especially in environments where they are trapped or not expecting approaches, is high stakes for both of you, and best attempted very casually if at all, with a strong awareness that any approach may be unwelcome." Do you go up to men and start random conversations? Does that sound like it might be annoying to deal with? Also: http://kateharding.net/2009/10/08/guest-blogger-starling-schrodinger%E2%80%99s-rapist-or-a-guy%E2%80%99s-guide-to-approaching-strange-women-without-being-maced/ http://kateharding.net/2009/10/08/guest-blogger-starling-sch... > So when you, a stranger, approach me, I have to ask myself: Will this man rape me? Does that sound like an experience the woman just has to deal with because the OP feels entitled to talk to every girl that makes his heart flutter?
  - irishcoffee 11y ago
    > Do you go up to men and start random conversations? Does that sound like it might be annoying to deal with? I start conversations with people all the time, yeah. No, it doesn't sound annoying. Funny thing about people, they LOVE to talk about themselves. Try it sometime. Er, not talking about yourself, trying to get to know a stranger. You'll learn a lot. > approaching women who are strangers, especially in environments where they are trapped or not expecting approaches, is high stakes for both of you, and best attempted very casually if at all, with a strong awareness that any approach may be unwelcome. a.) Asking if someone is lost is about as "casual" and "low stakes" as you can get in a damn college lecture hall/classroom building. Are you being serious? b.) If someone feels vulnerable and not expecting "approaches" (whatever the fuck that means) in a college building containing lecture halls, prof. offices, and classrooms, perhaps the problem is with the college or the person, not the "approaches" as you call them. > Does that sound like an experience the woman just has to deal with because the OP feels entitled to talk to every girl that makes his heart flutter? When anyone approaches me, I could ask myself "will this man/woman kill me?" Do I let it run my life, no. The OP is as "entitled" to talk to someone as you are to judge them for it. Your argument is really, really weak. Also, I didn't click your link. No context was given besides the word "also." edit: a word
  - istvan__ 11y ago
    I do, I do start random conversation with muslims, christians, blacks, whites, females, males, Chinese, Korean and even with animals. Most of the time it is welcome, but more recently I discovered that some people in USA are considering this micro-aggression, so I am dialing down wanting to talk to here at all. I hope you are happy.
  - protomyth 11y ago
    > Do you go up to men and start random conversations? Does that sound like it might be annoying to deal with? Yes, I do. I've met lifelong friends that way. In fact, I seem to get approached by a lot of strangers and told a lot of things. Learned about the history of rocks in Sioux Falls that way. > So when you, a stranger, approach me, I have to ask myself: Will this man rape me? If that's the first thought then society has failed this person with fear mongering and bad statistics. Crime has gone down since the 70's, but we act like the world is much more dangerous. We need to work on that instead of forcing an inhuman social isolation.
istvan__ 11y ago
It is not entitlement, it is the human way of communicating. You are not the other side, you are just representing the anti-intellectualism that is not too popular on HN.
protomyth 11y ago
"Cause you're entitled to start a conversation with every girl that seems interesting to you right?" Yes, because I'm human, and yes, a women is entitled to start a conversation with anyone they want since they too are human. There are some cultural rules depending on place, but yes, this is how humans meet each other. So, in your world, guys cannot go talk to a random girl, and since we are for equality, girls cannot go talk to a random guy. Everyone marches to class and leaves class without interacting with anyone. What kind of horrible world is this for the social creature that is human? Some of my best friends were met through random hall conversations. I can only imagine the feelings of isolation of a person in this world.

by comrh 11y ago

jakub_h 11y ago

Aren't people entitled to start a conversation with anyone they want? (Outside of some very traditional pre-modern societies where certain people are not even allowed at all to talk to certain other people, mostly by kinship.)

intopieces 11y ago
What's your phone number? I think you're on to something, I'd like to call you and hear more about what you think.

irishcoffee 11y ago

So if you start a conversation with someone and its welcome, no big deal, but if its not welcome, its entitlement and microaggressive? Wat?

comrh 11y ago
Yes, sometimes. Because "approaching women who are strangers, especially in environments where they are trapped or not expecting approaches, is high stakes for both of you, and best attempted very casually if at all, with a strong awareness that any approach may be unwelcome." Do you go up to men and start random conversations? Does that sound like it might be annoying to deal with? Also: http://kateharding.net/2009/10/08/guest-blogger-starling-schrodinger%E2%80%99s-rapist-or-a-guy%E2%80%99s-guide-to-approaching-strange-women-without-being-maced/ http://kateharding.net/2009/10/08/guest-blogger-starling-sch... > So when you, a stranger, approach me, I have to ask myself: Will this man rape me? Does that sound like an experience the woman just has to deal with because the OP feels entitled to talk to every girl that makes his heart flutter?
- irishcoffee 11y ago
  > Do you go up to men and start random conversations? Does that sound like it might be annoying to deal with? I start conversations with people all the time, yeah. No, it doesn't sound annoying. Funny thing about people, they LOVE to talk about themselves. Try it sometime. Er, not talking about yourself, trying to get to know a stranger. You'll learn a lot. > approaching women who are strangers, especially in environments where they are trapped or not expecting approaches, is high stakes for both of you, and best attempted very casually if at all, with a strong awareness that any approach may be unwelcome. a.) Asking if someone is lost is about as "casual" and "low stakes" as you can get in a damn college lecture hall/classroom building. Are you being serious? b.) If someone feels vulnerable and not expecting "approaches" (whatever the fuck that means) in a college building containing lecture halls, prof. offices, and classrooms, perhaps the problem is with the college or the person, not the "approaches" as you call them. > Does that sound like an experience the woman just has to deal with because the OP feels entitled to talk to every girl that makes his heart flutter? When anyone approaches me, I could ask myself "will this man/woman kill me?" Do I let it run my life, no. The OP is as "entitled" to talk to someone as you are to judge them for it. Your argument is really, really weak. Also, I didn't click your link. No context was given besides the word "also." edit: a word
- istvan__ 11y ago
  I do, I do start random conversation with muslims, christians, blacks, whites, females, males, Chinese, Korean and even with animals. Most of the time it is welcome, but more recently I discovered that some people in USA are considering this micro-aggression, so I am dialing down wanting to talk to here at all. I hope you are happy.
- protomyth 11y ago
  > Do you go up to men and start random conversations? Does that sound like it might be annoying to deal with? Yes, I do. I've met lifelong friends that way. In fact, I seem to get approached by a lot of strangers and told a lot of things. Learned about the history of rocks in Sioux Falls that way. > So when you, a stranger, approach me, I have to ask myself: Will this man rape me? If that's the first thought then society has failed this person with fear mongering and bad statistics. Crime has gone down since the 70's, but we act like the world is much more dangerous. We need to work on that instead of forcing an inhuman social isolation.

istvan__ 11y ago

It is not entitlement, it is the human way of communicating. You are not the other side, you are just representing the anti-intellectualism that is not too popular on HN.

protomyth 11y ago

"Cause you're entitled to start a conversation with every girl that seems interesting to you right?" Yes, because I'm human, and yes, a women is entitled to start a conversation with anyone they want since they too are human. There are some cultural rules depending on place, but yes, this is how humans meet each other. So, in your world, guys cannot go talk to a random girl, and since we are for equality, girls cannot go talk to a random guy. Everyone marches to class and leaves class without interacting with anyone. What kind of horrible world is this for the social creature that is human? Some of my best friends were met through random hall conversations. I can only imagine the feelings of isolation of a person in this world.