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I wonder how much the Edge's performance will affect the average person's decision to use it or not. Browsers one up each other all the time and I'm sure Google

by bepotts 11y ago

I wonder how much the Edge's performance will affect the average person's decision to use it or not. Browsers one up each other all the time and I'm sure Google's next major Chrome update will show improvements over the Edge. Renaming your browser won't change peoples' memory of Internet Explorer, even if Microsoft built Edge from the ground up. The average person is still going to be thinking IE when they see it. Without extensions, I personally am not leaving Chrome - even if it's a resource hog. But it is nice to see how Microsoft is changing their behavior. Competition between products is always a good thing.

ripberge 11y ago
"I'm sure Google's next major Chrome update will show improvements over the Edge" What makes you so confident the next one will be faster if the current one is slower? Are you on the dev team?
tracker1 11y ago
IE is usually very competitive at each release... the problem is they tend to sit at 2+ years between releases, and even with IE10 and 11, it hasn't gotten much narrower. The real test will be to see if IE can keep the pace set by chrome and firefox.
- Someone1234 11y ago
  IE has been discontinued so won't keep pace with Chrome or Firefox. IE 11 is the last version ever. Edge has replaced IE. Edge is set to receive continuous updates the same way Chrome/Firefox do today. It is not pinned to Windows or Service Pack releases like IE was historically.
  - tracker1 11y ago
    I don't care if it's Trident, Edge, IE, whatever you want to call it... "The browser formerly known as Internet Explorer." has a history of infrequent releases. If with the "Edge" release this changes, then I'll accept that... MS said when they released IE10 that they were planning on more frequent releases... that hasn't happened.
    - Encosia 11y ago
      IE11 has been doing automatic updates for at least a couple years now, by default.
      - tracker1 11y ago
        Has IE11 added new features since release, or has it only been security/bugfixes?
        ethana 11y ago
        IE11 on Windows 8/8.1 got updated with EME and MSE for Netflix HTML5 video. Also new F12 devtools. IE11 on Windows 7 is sadly not getting any new features, only updated with bug fixes and security updates.
        tracker1 11y ago
        So, for most of the users of Windows, no real IE11 updates for about two years now... I think my point really stands... most feature development is on IEvNext/Edge/Spartan ... When MS releases a browser with broad, rolling updates with significant new features keeping up with other browsers in a release cycle that isn't two years apart, I'll believe it when I see it... So far, it really hasn't been the case since before IE6 came out.
        ethana 11y ago
        To be honest, IE11 has been dealing with the web as well as the other major browsers since there haven't been any major new browser standards in the last two years. Maybe WebRTC, but no one is making a commercial service out of that yet. With Windows 10 deploying en masse, IE11 is already in sunsetting mode. Windows 10 and Edge is on rolling updates so they are getting new features more frequently. Service Release 1 is out next month and Threshold 2 features update is out by year end.
  - gcb0 11y ago
    > It is not pinned to Windows or Service Pack releases like IE was historically and chrome was on android pre 4.2. though it was called "stock browser" then.
    - tracker1 11y ago
      That's fair, but it really wasn't Google preventing newer android releases for handset manufacturers, or the carriers. It's also the main reason the browser was separated out, so that it could be updated separately.
partiallypro 11y ago
Extensions are coming later this year. Supposedly it will be able to run Chrome extensions.
liviu- 11y ago
>Renaming your browser won't change peoples' memory of Internet Explorer, even if Microsoft built Edge from the ground up. The average person is still going to be thinking IE when they see it. Maybe I'm underestimating how culturally aware the average person is, but I doubt most people will care to make this connection between IE and Edge.
- bepotts 11y ago
  How could they not? You upgrade your OS or buy a new computer, and you see a new application ( that you didn't install ) and you ( presumably ) can't uninstall it. Wouldn't any rational person assume it's a pre-installed application? Wouldn't it make sense to believe that the OS developer created it? There's an old joke about IE when people purchase a new computer: It's the browser I use to install another browser. What are people going to think when they don't see IE anymore and they see a new browser? Everyone will know the Edge is Microsoft's new browser, and everyone knows that Microsoft's previous browser was IE.
  - liviu- 11y ago
    Maybe you're right, but I feel like if there's one thing that will tip them off, it's the graphical similarity of the icons, rather than all the OS connections you've described.
  - Encosia 11y ago
    > Everyone In my experience, you're dramatically overestimating how many people really understand what a browser is, what IE is, or can disambiguate between Chrome and Google.
    - jongalloway2 11y ago
      Here's a great video that Google did back in 2009 that illustrates this pretty well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4MwTvtyrUQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4MwTvtyrUQ
    - bepotts 11y ago
justwannasing 11y ago
To be clear: Microsoft did NOT build Edge from the ground up. Edge is IE without legacy code; that is all.
- bepotts 11y ago
  Really? I thought they wrote a new rending engine and some other key features?
  - sp332 11y ago
    The Spartan rendering engine (edgehtml.dll) is a new component and separate from Trident (mshtml.dll). The new engine began as a fork of Trident, but has since diverged rapidly over the past many months, similar to how several other browser engines have started as forks prior to diverging. The new rendering engine is also being built with a very different set of principles than Trident - for example: a focus on interoperability and the removal of document modes. - MS statement

by bepotts 11y ago

ripberge 11y ago

"I'm sure Google's next major Chrome update will show improvements over the Edge" What makes you so confident the next one will be faster if the current one is slower? Are you on the dev team?

tracker1 11y ago

IE is usually very competitive at each release... the problem is they tend to sit at 2+ years between releases, and even with IE10 and 11, it hasn't gotten much narrower. The real test will be to see if IE can keep the pace set by chrome and firefox.

Someone1234 11y ago
IE has been discontinued so won't keep pace with Chrome or Firefox. IE 11 is the last version ever. Edge has replaced IE. Edge is set to receive continuous updates the same way Chrome/Firefox do today. It is not pinned to Windows or Service Pack releases like IE was historically.
- tracker1 11y ago
  I don't care if it's Trident, Edge, IE, whatever you want to call it... "The browser formerly known as Internet Explorer." has a history of infrequent releases. If with the "Edge" release this changes, then I'll accept that... MS said when they released IE10 that they were planning on more frequent releases... that hasn't happened.
  - Encosia 11y ago
    IE11 has been doing automatic updates for at least a couple years now, by default.
    - tracker1 11y ago
      Has IE11 added new features since release, or has it only been security/bugfixes?
      - ethana 11y ago
        IE11 on Windows 8/8.1 got updated with EME and MSE for Netflix HTML5 video. Also new F12 devtools. IE11 on Windows 7 is sadly not getting any new features, only updated with bug fixes and security updates.
        tracker1 11y ago
        So, for most of the users of Windows, no real IE11 updates for about two years now... I think my point really stands... most feature development is on IEvNext/Edge/Spartan ... When MS releases a browser with broad, rolling updates with significant new features keeping up with other browsers in a release cycle that isn't two years apart, I'll believe it when I see it... So far, it really hasn't been the case since before IE6 came out.
        ethana 11y ago
        To be honest, IE11 has been dealing with the web as well as the other major browsers since there haven't been any major new browser standards in the last two years. Maybe WebRTC, but no one is making a commercial service out of that yet. With Windows 10 deploying en masse, IE11 is already in sunsetting mode. Windows 10 and Edge is on rolling updates so they are getting new features more frequently. Service Release 1 is out next month and Threshold 2 features update is out by year end.
- gcb0 11y ago
  > It is not pinned to Windows or Service Pack releases like IE was historically and chrome was on android pre 4.2. though it was called "stock browser" then.
  - tracker1 11y ago
    That's fair, but it really wasn't Google preventing newer android releases for handset manufacturers, or the carriers. It's also the main reason the browser was separated out, so that it could be updated separately.

partiallypro 11y ago

Extensions are coming later this year. Supposedly it will be able to run Chrome extensions.

liviu- 11y ago

>Renaming your browser won't change peoples' memory of Internet Explorer, even if Microsoft built Edge from the ground up. The average person is still going to be thinking IE when they see it. Maybe I'm underestimating how culturally aware the average person is, but I doubt most people will care to make this connection between IE and Edge.

bepotts 11y ago
How could they not? You upgrade your OS or buy a new computer, and you see a new application ( that you didn't install ) and you ( presumably ) can't uninstall it. Wouldn't any rational person assume it's a pre-installed application? Wouldn't it make sense to believe that the OS developer created it? There's an old joke about IE when people purchase a new computer: It's the browser I use to install another browser. What are people going to think when they don't see IE anymore and they see a new browser? Everyone will know the Edge is Microsoft's new browser, and everyone knows that Microsoft's previous browser was IE.
- liviu- 11y ago
  Maybe you're right, but I feel like if there's one thing that will tip them off, it's the graphical similarity of the icons, rather than all the OS connections you've described.
- Encosia 11y ago
  > Everyone In my experience, you're dramatically overestimating how many people really understand what a browser is, what IE is, or can disambiguate between Chrome and Google.
  - jongalloway2 11y ago
    Here's a great video that Google did back in 2009 that illustrates this pretty well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4MwTvtyrUQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4MwTvtyrUQ
  - bepotts 11y ago

justwannasing 11y ago

To be clear: Microsoft did NOT build Edge from the ground up. Edge is IE without legacy code; that is all.

bepotts 11y ago
Really? I thought they wrote a new rending engine and some other key features?
- sp332 11y ago
  The Spartan rendering engine (edgehtml.dll) is a new component and separate from Trident (mshtml.dll). The new engine began as a fork of Trident, but has since diverged rapidly over the past many months, similar to how several other browser engines have started as forks prior to diverging. The new rendering engine is also being built with a very different set of principles than Trident - for example: a focus on interoperability and the removal of document modes. - MS statement