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Anyone could shoot up a public place... should amateur researches be showing up in malls with firearms to test preparedness? This case is even worse the the on

• jblow 11y ago
  If it were not demonstrated under real conditions, the car companies would just say "this was a fake test not representative of real-world conditions, isn't that true Mr. Journalist?" and the journalist would have to admit that that was true and then they would say "Under real-world conditions our cars are safe; customers have nothing to worry about." This has been their playbook about everything for a long time so I don't know why you think it would be different in this case.
  • gortok 11y ago
    I don't mind that it was demonstrated under real world conditions; I mind that no safety precautions were taken, like, you know: - Contact the police and let them know this experiment will be conducted; and ask for police support - Conduct this experiment on a closed road
  • ohitsdom 11y ago
    There is no way a "not real-world conditions" argument could be made if this same test was done on a test track. No automaker would even try it because it would generate even more bad press. The "researchers" did the test on a public, in-use highway for better press/cool factor. Completely irresponsible.
    • jblow 11y ago
      Look at what Toyota did with the whole unintentional acceleration thing. About as irresponsible as you can get.
      • rhino369 11y ago
        The ones that turned out to be mostly old people hitting the gas instead of the accelerator?
        • radnor 11y ago
          Yeah, no. Check this out: http://www.edn.com/design/automotive/4423428/Toyota-s-killer-firmware--Bad-design-and-its-consequences http://www.edn.com/design/automotive/4423428/Toyota-s-killer...
          • nulltype 11y ago
            Interesting! How does Toyota's code compare to other car manufacturers?
        • jblow 11y ago
          Perfect point! The fact that you think that was the outcome of the investigation is due to the huge amount of money Toyota spent denying the problem.
  • biot 11y ago
    In response, the journalist would say "This was absolutely a real test; there was nothing fake about it. The conditions were as real-world as you can get: the vehicle was being operated at highway speeds with an average driver behind the wheel, the car's systems were connected to the internet in the exact same way as every other car of that model is, and the attackers were operating their exploit from a remote location as would be the case with every other vulnerable vehicle on the road. That the test was performed on a closed track is obviously for safety reasons as we did not want to endanger the public by causing the vehicle to fail in the middle of a busy highway." For bonus points, throw in something like: "It's no different than your vehicle's advertisements displaying 'performed on a closed track' -- surely you're not arguing that the vehicle's performance in those advertisements is completely fake and you're deceiving consumers with said non-real-world advertising, are you?"