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Can someone please tl.dr this First we had articles spread over dozens of pages for the laugh, now we have articles split into 160char segments, grrrrrr

by yc1010 11y ago

sokoloff 11y ago
ts; dr...
vdnkh 11y ago
Author created a spreadsheet with her salary/few other salaries of coworkers on it, posts it to google internal social network, 5% of workers fill it out, people start asking for better salaries, managers mad, her peer bonuses (coworker endorsements that net you a small bonus) get denied, everyone mad, she left(?)
joshcrowder 11y ago
TL;DR - Erica Joy created a spreadsheet of salaries, it got shared internally at Google, apparently about 5% of total workforce filled it in. Google has some sort of Peer Bonus scheme, Erica got lots of them but management decided to deny pretty much all of them. She left google.
corin_ 11y ago
She created an internal spreadsheet allowing Googlers to add their salary information. Lots of people helped tweak the sheet adding data visualizations, comparisons, etc. Google management told her they didn't like it, she pointed out that you can't be fired for sharing salary information. Lots of colleagues were giving her "peer bonuses" for setting this up, but her manager kept blocking them, something which is apparently unheard of to the point that most people didn't know they could be blocked. By the time she left, 5% of staff were apparently using the sheet. Even more TLDR: Nothing particularly happened except that Google showed they dislike colleagues talking about salaries.
- justwannasing 11y ago
  So no different than any other company and a big fuss about 5% usage.
- Kiro 11y ago
  What's a peer bonus?
  - giancarlostoro 11y ago
    Fellow Co-Workers nominate someone for a peer bonus, and if approved by a manager (edit: or whomever is responsible for approval), you get an extra $100 on your next paycheck (on your gross pay at least, but still nice).
  - tempVariable 11y ago
    I've read that you can award a $150 bonus to another colleague, at which point a manager can approve or block the award. The second part,- manager blocking her from getting the bonus is what sparked the additional controversy. edit: sibling comment says $100, could be either or.
  - TeMPOraL 11y ago
    A bonus you get for doing something that helps your peers with their work, even if not directly related to your responsibilities.
TheWoodsy 11y ago
girl create spreadsheet > insert title, gender, salary > send to everyone > captain obvious comes along to find fluctuating salaries based on things > employees like it, bosses hate it > people send her boss bonus forms > boss rejects them (probably because it should be a bonus based on job performance, not shit-stirring) > make it sound edgy > people stop talking to her > claim sjw for pay equality
- deadmik3 11y ago
  > probably because it should be a bonus based on job performance, not shit-stirring the entire crux of the article edit: word
  - Loughla 11y ago
    Isn't it 'crux'? I find that crux is one of those words that's replaced with an incorrect near-homophone often - like mute instead of moot. Although, bonus points for using crutch instead of crust - that's usually the replacement.
    - deadmik3 11y ago
      I think you're right. And yeah, at least "crutch" gives that imagery of something being support whereas crust...
- marrs 11y ago
  3. sue Google 4 $$$
StevePerkins 11y ago
TL;DR - Google operates in a parallel universe called "California", where employees can share each other's salaries on a company-wide shared spreadsheet without getting fired. Not only did Google NOT fire anybody for it, they haven't even removed the spreadsheet from their own internal network. They simply refused to approve some $150 "peer-recognition" bonuses, meant to reward the employee for creating the spreadsheet. THAT is apparently enough to engage some kind of weird quasi-SJW outrage. As opposed to the real world, where everyone involved would be fired and given a negative reference for the rest of their career.
- Loughla 11y ago
  http://www.govdocs.com/can-employees-discuss-pay-salaries/ http://www.govdocs.com/can-employees-discuss-pay-salaries/ TL;DR It's illegal to fire your employees for discussing salary in the US. California isn't special, neither is Google.
  - StevePerkins 11y ago
    That's so cute. I bet you also have a link that says union-busting is illegal, too. I'm not making a normative statement about the way things "ought to be", I'm making a positive statement about the way things "actually are" across most of the world (http://beta.tutor2u.net/economics/reference/positive-and-normative-statements http://beta.tutor2u.net/economics/reference/positive-and-nor...). Shoot the messenger if you like.
    - fla 11y ago
      > Google operates in a parallel universe called "California", where employees can share each other's salaries on a company-wide shared spreadsheet without getting fired. So reality is a parallel universe ?
    - Loughla 11y ago
      Ought to be is the way it is. Firing an employee because he discusses his salary with other employees is illegal. You are free to fire that person, but you should expect a lawsuit. And did you really link to a tutoring lesson about objective and subjective statements to 'prove your point'? What a useless thing to do. Your knee-jerk anti-establishment opinion about how the world works, based on your limited experience is not a good bellwether. (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sophomoric); http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sophomoric); shoot the messenger if you like.

Can someone please tl.dr this First we had articles spread over dozens of pages for the laugh, now we have articles split into 160char segments, grrrrrr

by yc1010 11y ago

Can someone please tl.dr this First we had articles spread over dozens of pages for the laugh, now we have articles split into 160char segments, grrrrrr

sokoloff 11y ago

ts; dr...

vdnkh 11y ago

Author created a spreadsheet with her salary/few other salaries of coworkers on it, posts it to google internal social network, 5% of workers fill it out, people start asking for better salaries, managers mad, her peer bonuses (coworker endorsements that net you a small bonus) get denied, everyone mad, she left(?)

joshcrowder 11y ago

TL;DR - Erica Joy created a spreadsheet of salaries, it got shared internally at Google, apparently about 5% of total workforce filled it in. Google has some sort of Peer Bonus scheme, Erica got lots of them but management decided to deny pretty much all of them. She left google.

corin_ 11y ago

She created an internal spreadsheet allowing Googlers to add their salary information. Lots of people helped tweak the sheet adding data visualizations, comparisons, etc. Google management told her they didn't like it, she pointed out that you can't be fired for sharing salary information. Lots of colleagues were giving her "peer bonuses" for setting this up, but her manager kept blocking them, something which is apparently unheard of to the point that most people didn't know they could be blocked. By the time she left, 5% of staff were apparently using the sheet. Even more TLDR: Nothing particularly happened except that Google showed they dislike colleagues talking about salaries.

justwannasing 11y ago
So no different than any other company and a big fuss about 5% usage.
Kiro 11y ago
What's a peer bonus?
- giancarlostoro 11y ago
  Fellow Co-Workers nominate someone for a peer bonus, and if approved by a manager (edit: or whomever is responsible for approval), you get an extra $100 on your next paycheck (on your gross pay at least, but still nice).
- tempVariable 11y ago
  I've read that you can award a $150 bonus to another colleague, at which point a manager can approve or block the award. The second part,- manager blocking her from getting the bonus is what sparked the additional controversy. edit: sibling comment says $100, could be either or.
- TeMPOraL 11y ago
  A bonus you get for doing something that helps your peers with their work, even if not directly related to your responsibilities.

TheWoodsy 11y ago

girl create spreadsheet > insert title, gender, salary > send to everyone > captain obvious comes along to find fluctuating salaries based on things > employees like it, bosses hate it > people send her boss bonus forms > boss rejects them (probably because it should be a bonus based on job performance, not shit-stirring) > make it sound edgy > people stop talking to her > claim sjw for pay equality

deadmik3 11y ago
> probably because it should be a bonus based on job performance, not shit-stirring the entire crux of the article edit: word
- Loughla 11y ago
  Isn't it 'crux'? I find that crux is one of those words that's replaced with an incorrect near-homophone often - like mute instead of moot. Although, bonus points for using crutch instead of crust - that's usually the replacement.
  - deadmik3 11y ago
    I think you're right. And yeah, at least "crutch" gives that imagery of something being support whereas crust...
marrs 11y ago
3. sue Google 4 $$$

StevePerkins 11y ago

TL;DR - Google operates in a parallel universe called "California", where employees can share each other's salaries on a company-wide shared spreadsheet without getting fired. Not only did Google NOT fire anybody for it, they haven't even removed the spreadsheet from their own internal network. They simply refused to approve some $150 "peer-recognition" bonuses, meant to reward the employee for creating the spreadsheet. THAT is apparently enough to engage some kind of weird quasi-SJW outrage. As opposed to the real world, where everyone involved would be fired and given a negative reference for the rest of their career.

Loughla 11y ago
http://www.govdocs.com/can-employees-discuss-pay-salaries/ http://www.govdocs.com/can-employees-discuss-pay-salaries/ TL;DR It's illegal to fire your employees for discussing salary in the US. California isn't special, neither is Google.
- StevePerkins 11y ago
  That's so cute. I bet you also have a link that says union-busting is illegal, too. I'm not making a normative statement about the way things "ought to be", I'm making a positive statement about the way things "actually are" across most of the world (http://beta.tutor2u.net/economics/reference/positive-and-normative-statements http://beta.tutor2u.net/economics/reference/positive-and-nor...). Shoot the messenger if you like.
  - fla 11y ago
    > Google operates in a parallel universe called "California", where employees can share each other's salaries on a company-wide shared spreadsheet without getting fired. So reality is a parallel universe ?
  - Loughla 11y ago
    Ought to be is the way it is. Firing an employee because he discusses his salary with other employees is illegal. You are free to fire that person, but you should expect a lawsuit. And did you really link to a tutoring lesson about objective and subjective statements to 'prove your point'? What a useless thing to do. Your knee-jerk anti-establishment opinion about how the world works, based on your limited experience is not a good bellwether. (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sophomoric); http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sophomoric); shoot the messenger if you like.