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Then what's your solution? Telling everyone else they're wrong only goes so far — particularly in the face of the obvious and systemic problems that policing in

by rosser 11y ago

Then what's your solution? Telling everyone else they're wrong only goes so far — particularly in the face of the obvious and systemic problems that policing in America faces today. So offer some alternatives instead of just knocking everyone else down.

dragontamer 11y ago
Ironic, when your only solution is firing everybody. As stated before, my solution is to create robust independent police review boards. It'd be something like New York City's model with an independent "Civilian Complaint Review Board", complete with subpoena power against officers. http://www.nyc.gov/html/ccrb/html/home/home.shtml http://www.nyc.gov/html/ccrb/html/home/home.shtml Anyway, Chicago's review board has indications of weakness, and the article above is simply a note of what is going on in that agency. Maybe the review board needs to hire more non-cops and more lawyers from the ACLU. The correct action depends a lot on the politics of the Chicago review board are. If the review board is appointed by the direct election, then the leaders need to be voted out and reformed. If the review board is appointed by the local mayor / city counsel, then we should organize political protests and bring up the Chicago Independent Police Review Authority as an actual issue during Chicago elections. If you don't live in the city of Chicago, then of course the article posted here doesn't apply to you. They don't apply to me either, but if it were happening in my city, that's how I'd start.
- rosser 11y ago
  Ironic, when your only solution is firing everybody. I didn't advocate firing anybody. I think you're confusing me with other participants in this thread. That's pretty ironic, coming from someone who said elsewhere in the discussion, "if you want to stuff words in my mouth, I will refuse to partake in the discussion." [1] EDIT: I also don't think the up-thread proposal was to fire everyone. Just the bad actors. And, really, do you want someone who's malicious and has a power trip walking around with a gun and the authority to use it? [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9918408 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9918408
- rquantz 11y ago
  And yet your solution would produce the same ridiculous, hysterical response from the police. They would treat your robust independent review boards as Armageddon. Because of pride.

by rosser 11y ago

dragontamer 11y ago

Ironic, when your only solution is firing everybody. As stated before, my solution is to create robust independent police review boards. It'd be something like New York City's model with an independent "Civilian Complaint Review Board", complete with subpoena power against officers. http://www.nyc.gov/html/ccrb/html/home/home.shtml http://www.nyc.gov/html/ccrb/html/home/home.shtml Anyway, Chicago's review board has indications of weakness, and the article above is simply a note of what is going on in that agency. Maybe the review board needs to hire more non-cops and more lawyers from the ACLU. The correct action depends a lot on the politics of the Chicago review board are. If the review board is appointed by the direct election, then the leaders need to be voted out and reformed. If the review board is appointed by the local mayor / city counsel, then we should organize political protests and bring up the Chicago Independent Police Review Authority as an actual issue during Chicago elections. If you don't live in the city of Chicago, then of course the article posted here doesn't apply to you. They don't apply to me either, but if it were happening in my city, that's how I'd start.

rosser 11y ago
Ironic, when your only solution is firing everybody. I didn't advocate firing anybody. I think you're confusing me with other participants in this thread. That's pretty ironic, coming from someone who said elsewhere in the discussion, "if you want to stuff words in my mouth, I will refuse to partake in the discussion." [1] EDIT: I also don't think the up-thread proposal was to fire everyone. Just the bad actors. And, really, do you want someone who's malicious and has a power trip walking around with a gun and the authority to use it? [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9918408 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9918408
rquantz 11y ago
And yet your solution would produce the same ridiculous, hysterical response from the police. They would treat your robust independent review boards as Armageddon. Because of pride.