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> fire them all and find new ones What recruiting pool do you imagine we get new officers from? And how do you imagine that having a force completely made of i

> fire them all and find new ones What recruiting pool do you imagine we get new officers from? And how do you imagine that having a force completely made of inexperienced cops will improve things?

mikeash 11y ago
The claim is that police are so prideful that minor emotional provocations will turn them strongly against us. I don't think that's the case, but if it is, then firing them all and getting new ones will still be an improvement. More likely, some of them are prideful and the rest go along. Start disciplining them and you'll get rid of the bad ones and fix the rest. For the example of the Baltimore shooting, no need to fire the whole department, but every officer who was on duty and refused to respond should be fired instantaneously.
- dragontamer 11y ago
  >The claim is that police are so prideful that minor emotional provocations will turn them strongly against us. At no point did I say that. Hacker News doesn't lend itself to discussion very well, and if you want to stuff words in my mouth, I will refuse to partake in the discussion. > For the example of the Baltimore shooting, no need to fire the whole department, but every officer who was on duty and refused to respond should be fired instantaneously. You clearly have awesome leadership skills. You should run for Police Sheriff, clearly you know more about running a police department than everyone else.
  - mikeash 11y ago
    Hello pot, I'm kettle. Need I remind you that you started out accusing me of bringing race into the conversation? So please don't lecture me on stuffing words into people's mouths. Now as to the actual discussion, you said that if we don't keep pride in mind, it will be difficult to get officers to reform. You further presented the example of the Baltimore drive-by which the police refused to respond to after their pride had been hurt. That, to me, sounds like you're saying that if we hurt police pride they will turn on us by failing to obey us and by failing to protect us. Is that not what you meant? As for my "awesome leadership skills," are you saying that firing police officers who refuse to respond to an incident because they have hurt feelings due to protests is the wrong action to take? If I understand that correctly, please elaborate. In any other job, refusing to do perform a critical duty required by your job without a very good reason is generally a firing offense. Why is that not the case for the police, and what action do you suggest should be taken?
    - dragontamer 11y ago
      > Hello pot, I'm kettle. Need I remind you that you started out accusing me of bringing race into the conversation? If this is your level of maturity, then I shall have no part in the rest of this conversation. Your "awesome leadership skills" can't even comprehend the concept behind "morale" anyway, I'm not sure where to even start a discussion with you.
opo 11y ago
>...What recruiting pool do you imagine we get new officers from? There are plenty of people who would be very grateful for the kinds of money police officers can make in a typical city. I seriously don't think there would be a problem.

> fire them all and find new ones What recruiting pool do you imagine we get new officers from? And how do you imagine that having a force completely made of inexperienced cops will improve things?

mikeash 11y ago

The claim is that police are so prideful that minor emotional provocations will turn them strongly against us. I don't think that's the case, but if it is, then firing them all and getting new ones will still be an improvement. More likely, some of them are prideful and the rest go along. Start disciplining them and you'll get rid of the bad ones and fix the rest. For the example of the Baltimore shooting, no need to fire the whole department, but every officer who was on duty and refused to respond should be fired instantaneously.

dragontamer 11y ago
>The claim is that police are so prideful that minor emotional provocations will turn them strongly against us. At no point did I say that. Hacker News doesn't lend itself to discussion very well, and if you want to stuff words in my mouth, I will refuse to partake in the discussion. > For the example of the Baltimore shooting, no need to fire the whole department, but every officer who was on duty and refused to respond should be fired instantaneously. You clearly have awesome leadership skills. You should run for Police Sheriff, clearly you know more about running a police department than everyone else.
- mikeash 11y ago
  Hello pot, I'm kettle. Need I remind you that you started out accusing me of bringing race into the conversation? So please don't lecture me on stuffing words into people's mouths. Now as to the actual discussion, you said that if we don't keep pride in mind, it will be difficult to get officers to reform. You further presented the example of the Baltimore drive-by which the police refused to respond to after their pride had been hurt. That, to me, sounds like you're saying that if we hurt police pride they will turn on us by failing to obey us and by failing to protect us. Is that not what you meant? As for my "awesome leadership skills," are you saying that firing police officers who refuse to respond to an incident because they have hurt feelings due to protests is the wrong action to take? If I understand that correctly, please elaborate. In any other job, refusing to do perform a critical duty required by your job without a very good reason is generally a firing offense. Why is that not the case for the police, and what action do you suggest should be taken?
  - dragontamer 11y ago
    > Hello pot, I'm kettle. Need I remind you that you started out accusing me of bringing race into the conversation? If this is your level of maturity, then I shall have no part in the rest of this conversation. Your "awesome leadership skills" can't even comprehend the concept behind "morale" anyway, I'm not sure where to even start a discussion with you.

opo 11y ago

>...What recruiting pool do you imagine we get new officers from? There are plenty of people who would be very grateful for the kinds of money police officers can make in a typical city. I seriously don't think there would be a problem.