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>-Kill Bin Laden He didn't do this. He was just president in an ongoing operation that started a long time ago. He didn't pass any particular policies or make

by hueving 11y ago

>-Kill Bin Laden He didn't do this. He was just president in an ongoing operation that started a long time ago. He didn't pass any particular policies or make any changes that led to this. >-Contain ISIS ISIS started under him and it's not contained. >-Get a deal on Iranian nuclear program Also 10 years in the making and he made some significant concessions to Iran that made the deal almost useless. The US has to give nearly a months warning before it's allowed to check to see if they are breaking the rules.

secfirstmd 11y ago
-Biden Laden was on his watch, according to various reports he asked for some changes which suggest he had some ownership of the operation -ISIS was formed before he took over https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_...
EliRivers 11y ago
ISIS started under him and it's not contained. It switched to its current name during his terms. It started well before.
discardorama 11y ago
> >-Kill Bin Laden > He didn't do this. As if the president dons his cowboy hat, gets into an Apache Rambo-style and hunts terrorists, right? I don't understand how any rational person would have so much difficulty giving him credit for the operation; it was his call! He made the call to get Bin Laden, just like Bush made the call to let him and other top Taliban escape (see "Kunduz Airlift": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunduz_airlift https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunduz_airlift )
- coryrc 11y ago
  To be fair, a modern Teddy Roosevelt would probably do that.
mturmon 11y ago
The presently-accepted record demonstrates you are incorrect in saying Obama "was just president in an ongoing operation" to get bin Laden. First, it has been reported over and over that locating bin Laden was a priority of the Obama administration. Obama announced this in presidential debates, and redirected intelligence resources to this end after he was elected (directing DCI Panetta on June 2 2009 to find a detailed operational plan for locating bin Laden, among other things). I think this priority shift is rather well established, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Osama_bin_Laden#Background https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Osama_bin_Laden#Backg... Second: Obama personally accepted responsibility for conducting the raid. We all know how well that went for Jimmy Carter, so that was a real risk. Third, and perhaps more controversial: It was reported at the time of the raid that Obama's concerns about getting the team out resulted in changing the plan in a key way (e.g., http://swampland.time.com/2011/05/03/obama-pushed-for-fight-your-way-out-option-in-bin-laden-raid/ http://swampland.time.com/2011/05/03/obama-pushed-for-fight-...). This is what we have been told, but only time will tell.
discardorama 11y ago
> ISIS started under him and it's not contained. The seeds for ISIS were sown when Bush & Rumsfeld disbanded the Iraqi Army. What else did they think would happen? Over 300,000 trained soldiers; many of them veterans of the Iran-Iraq war; suddenly jobless and without benefits. Their only marketable skill is how to shoot!

by hueving 11y ago

secfirstmd 11y ago

-Biden Laden was on his watch, according to various reports he asked for some changes which suggest he had some ownership of the operation -ISIS was formed before he took over https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_...

EliRivers 11y ago

ISIS started under him and it's not contained. It switched to its current name during his terms. It started well before.

discardorama 11y ago

> >-Kill Bin Laden > He didn't do this. As if the president dons his cowboy hat, gets into an Apache Rambo-style and hunts terrorists, right? I don't understand how any rational person would have so much difficulty giving him credit for the operation; it was his call! He made the call to get Bin Laden, just like Bush made the call to let him and other top Taliban escape (see "Kunduz Airlift": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunduz_airlift https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunduz_airlift )

coryrc 11y ago
To be fair, a modern Teddy Roosevelt would probably do that.

mturmon 11y ago

The presently-accepted record demonstrates you are incorrect in saying Obama "was just president in an ongoing operation" to get bin Laden. First, it has been reported over and over that locating bin Laden was a priority of the Obama administration. Obama announced this in presidential debates, and redirected intelligence resources to this end after he was elected (directing DCI Panetta on June 2 2009 to find a detailed operational plan for locating bin Laden, among other things). I think this priority shift is rather well established, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Osama_bin_Laden#Background https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Osama_bin_Laden#Backg... Second: Obama personally accepted responsibility for conducting the raid. We all know how well that went for Jimmy Carter, so that was a real risk. Third, and perhaps more controversial: It was reported at the time of the raid that Obama's concerns about getting the team out resulted in changing the plan in a key way (e.g., http://swampland.time.com/2011/05/03/obama-pushed-for-fight-your-way-out-option-in-bin-laden-raid/ http://swampland.time.com/2011/05/03/obama-pushed-for-fight-...). This is what we have been told, but only time will tell.

discardorama 11y ago

> ISIS started under him and it's not contained. The seeds for ISIS were sown when Bush & Rumsfeld disbanded the Iraqi Army. What else did they think would happen? Over 300,000 trained soldiers; many of them veterans of the Iran-Iraq war; suddenly jobless and without benefits. Their only marketable skill is how to shoot!