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>"Even though liberals will deny this..." This blanket assumption is probably why you're being down-voted. The easiest way to avoid this is by supporting your

>"Even though liberals will deny this..." This blanket assumption is probably why you're being down-voted. The easiest way to avoid this is by supporting your statements with as many facts as possible. A simple google search proved that this is not at all the case, for example, and that Republicans show much stronger support of police unions. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/12/12/the-gop-and-police-unions-a-love-story.html http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/12/12/the-gop-and... This selective support among Republicans suggests that you're addressing the wrong crowd.

happyscrappy 11y ago
It will be very hard to pin the problems with Chicago on Republicans.
- digitalneal 11y ago
  Are you saying Governors have no power over the cities that reside in their state? From 1977 to 2003 Republicans were in control of Illinois executive office. 26 years in a row. From 1972 to 1991, Jon Burge running the show as Chicago police commander. Are you trying to say that Republican governors had no power to investigate/curtail the evil that was brewing under his leadership? hehe.
  - drzaiusapelord 11y ago
    They have very little. The CPD is managed by the city which is under Democratic machine politics rule.
    - lvh 11y ago
      If you're downvoting, is it because of the "machine politics" expression, or because the person's point is invalid? It seems like a valid counterpoint to the statement that the CPD was not, in fact, influenced by the Republican governor.
- mingus68040 11y ago
  I think you're replying to the wrong comment? drzaiusapelord was the poster who suggested that partisan views would be a barrier to reform. In fact, I would go so far as to say that a lack of political opposition in any circumstance, regardless of the party itself, will lead to anti-democratic behavior. The real issue is that police overwhelmingly enjoy an uncritical view by the voting public such that no politician can afford not to support them. What needs to disappear is the misplaced support for police among the public.
drzaiusapelord 11y ago
This is Chicago, we really have no republicans in power. The downvotes are just knee-jerk stupidity because the MSM doesn't report much on union abuse and unions largely get a free pass in the US for political reasons. Democrats won't go after them as they more or less pay for Democratic campaigns.
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- rosser 11y ago
  ...just knee-jerk stupidity... You aren't helping yourself.
- slantyyz 11y ago
  As a non-American, I find it interesting how so many Americans (especially online commenters) refer to other Americans only as liberal/Democrat or conservative/Republican these days. Is America that polarized? Or, are the people with more complex views (i.e., having both liberal and conservative viewpoints) just less likely to speak out?
  - rosser 11y ago
    Yes, and yes. America is that polarized, and when people with more nuanced views speak up, they tend to get shouted down immediately by the "side" that sees some aspect of "the other side"'s views in the nuance, drowning them out in the noise. Want to make a nuanced point in a discussion about gun control? You're probably from Kenya, too. Want to make a subtle distinction in a debate about investment banks, or energy policy? You must hate poor people, or the planet, or... Net, we (or at least I) tend not to get involved in political discussions, as I'm almost invariably going to have to spend more time arguing about how I'm not actually a filthy lib'ral or whatever, than about the point I'd wanted to make in the first place, so fuck it. You guys have fun shouting yourselves hoarse and slapping yourselves on the back for how hateful you can be towards random strangers on the internet.
    - 11y ago

happyscrappy 11y ago

It will be very hard to pin the problems with Chicago on Republicans.

digitalneal 11y ago
Are you saying Governors have no power over the cities that reside in their state? From 1977 to 2003 Republicans were in control of Illinois executive office. 26 years in a row. From 1972 to 1991, Jon Burge running the show as Chicago police commander. Are you trying to say that Republican governors had no power to investigate/curtail the evil that was brewing under his leadership? hehe.
- drzaiusapelord 11y ago
  They have very little. The CPD is managed by the city which is under Democratic machine politics rule.
  - lvh 11y ago
    If you're downvoting, is it because of the "machine politics" expression, or because the person's point is invalid? It seems like a valid counterpoint to the statement that the CPD was not, in fact, influenced by the Republican governor.
mingus68040 11y ago
I think you're replying to the wrong comment? drzaiusapelord was the poster who suggested that partisan views would be a barrier to reform. In fact, I would go so far as to say that a lack of political opposition in any circumstance, regardless of the party itself, will lead to anti-democratic behavior. The real issue is that police overwhelmingly enjoy an uncritical view by the voting public such that no politician can afford not to support them. What needs to disappear is the misplaced support for police among the public.

drzaiusapelord 11y ago

This is Chicago, we really have no republicans in power. The downvotes are just knee-jerk stupidity because the MSM doesn't report much on union abuse and unions largely get a free pass in the US for political reasons. Democrats won't go after them as they more or less pay for Democratic campaigns.

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rosser 11y ago
...just knee-jerk stupidity... You aren't helping yourself.
slantyyz 11y ago
As a non-American, I find it interesting how so many Americans (especially online commenters) refer to other Americans only as liberal/Democrat or conservative/Republican these days. Is America that polarized? Or, are the people with more complex views (i.e., having both liberal and conservative viewpoints) just less likely to speak out?
- rosser 11y ago
  Yes, and yes. America is that polarized, and when people with more nuanced views speak up, they tend to get shouted down immediately by the "side" that sees some aspect of "the other side"'s views in the nuance, drowning them out in the noise. Want to make a nuanced point in a discussion about gun control? You're probably from Kenya, too. Want to make a subtle distinction in a debate about investment banks, or energy policy? You must hate poor people, or the planet, or... Net, we (or at least I) tend not to get involved in political discussions, as I'm almost invariably going to have to spend more time arguing about how I'm not actually a filthy lib'ral or whatever, than about the point I'd wanted to make in the first place, so fuck it. You guys have fun shouting yourselves hoarse and slapping yourselves on the back for how hateful you can be towards random strangers on the internet.
  - 11y ago