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I dislike the way mobile has become the new lowest common denominator for web development. It used to be IE6 because it was antiquated but now it's anything wit

by justuk 11y ago

I dislike the way mobile has become the new lowest common denominator for web development. It used to be IE6 because it was antiquated but now it's anything with a touch screen - mainly thinking how hover has been relegated to visual effects even though it's fine on non-touchscreens.

cjsaylor 11y ago
It's not about lowest common denominator. It's about what devices users are actually using to browse your site. If you make an awesome desktop version of the site at the expense of mobile, but majority are visiting on a small device, then you are alienating the majority. You have to keep perspective of why your are building something; if it is not for the users, then it is pointless.
- justuk 11y ago
  It seems like a step backwards in sophistication all because these mobile devices were grouped into the same category as desktop. We go from tools that look like they were aimed at adults to simplistic toys. I see it all the time in user comments when websites switch to responsive designs. It's like we don't give a damn about desktop users because they are no longer fashionable.
  - BonoboBoner 11y ago
    So true. I hate it when CMS administration areas are rewritten to be responsive and end up wasting a huge amount of space on the screen. A CMS admin area is a power user , that most people us on their computer. Yet characteristics such as high information density and very accurate mouse interaction are all thrown out of the window, because of how the admin looks like on a phone. How is it responsive to ALL devices, when mobile first enforces such restrictions on a design.
pyre 11y ago
> mainly thinking how hover has been relegated to visual effects even though it's fine on non-touchscreens. It's fine to make it (hover effects) functional for desktop users rather than just using it for visuals, but you need to make sure that said functionality exists in another form for mobile. Otherwise, you're just giving a be "F* You!" to mobile users since the experience on your site is broken.
brazzledazzle 11y ago
In the case of hover-based UIs is it more about common functionality? You can tap/click on both platforms, so is it easier to develop a single UI? One that uses the capabilities they have in common vs developing a unique interface for each device type?
- justuk 11y ago
  It feels like desktop is taking a hit for the team because a less sophisticated member is tagging along. I watch all these websites convert over to responsive designs and very few of them are a step forward. It's like they've gone from tools aimed at adults to toys for children.
  - charlesarthur 11y ago
    What's happened is that they've gone to "sites with smaller viewports and less precise input methods because they don't have a mouse and keyboard attached". And in case it had also passed you by, mobile is the predominant method of browsing for a huge number of sites all over the world. Consider Google, which says that mobile search outnumbers desktop in 10 major countries. Do you hear Larry Page moaning about how people are using the "wrong" method to access the site? Nope. Instead, Google rejigged its algorithm to favour "mobile-friendly" sites. So let's see, that ranges you, preferring desktop, against Google, monitoring the direction of travel. Think I'd bet with the latter. You can bemoan the way that mobile input has to adapt. Or you can revel in the way that smart UX designers figure the best way to adapt, as outlined in the original post. I know which I prefer.
    - simoncion 11y ago
      > ...sites with smaller viewports... Every smartphone sold in America in the last four years has a far higher screen resolution than the machine on which I first browsed the internet back in the 1990s. Indeed, most of them have a higher screen resolution than the laptop on which I regularly browse the internet today! So, no, the viewports on mobile devices aren't really smaller. It is -however- very true that one's input method is substantially less precise than when using a mouse. But, it's not that much less precise than when using a pen or stylus. :) > Instead, Google rejigged its algorithm to favour "mobile-friendly" sites. Sure. But, OP is not talking about Google's search ranking algorithm. Google didn't make dumbed-down versions of the UI of their sites because folks are mostly visiting with finger-navigated devices. Until recently, Google worked hard to make UIs that are both full-featured and useful for folks navigating with a mouse and with their finger.
hibikir 11y ago
It's a matter of resources. If you get a lot of business from different devices, you can do it the Netflix way, and build customized experiences for everyone and everything. In practice, we often have to choose between providing a bad mobile experience, or making the desktop experience weaker, by not using many tricks that are not available in the small touchscreen environment. It's not an issue of design, but dollars and cents.

by justuk 11y ago

cjsaylor 11y ago

It's not about lowest common denominator. It's about what devices users are actually using to browse your site. If you make an awesome desktop version of the site at the expense of mobile, but majority are visiting on a small device, then you are alienating the majority. You have to keep perspective of why your are building something; if it is not for the users, then it is pointless.

justuk 11y ago
It seems like a step backwards in sophistication all because these mobile devices were grouped into the same category as desktop. We go from tools that look like they were aimed at adults to simplistic toys. I see it all the time in user comments when websites switch to responsive designs. It's like we don't give a damn about desktop users because they are no longer fashionable.
- BonoboBoner 11y ago
  So true. I hate it when CMS administration areas are rewritten to be responsive and end up wasting a huge amount of space on the screen. A CMS admin area is a power user , that most people us on their computer. Yet characteristics such as high information density and very accurate mouse interaction are all thrown out of the window, because of how the admin looks like on a phone. How is it responsive to ALL devices, when mobile first enforces such restrictions on a design.

pyre 11y ago

> mainly thinking how hover has been relegated to visual effects even though it's fine on non-touchscreens. It's fine to make it (hover effects) functional for desktop users rather than just using it for visuals, but you need to make sure that said functionality exists in another form for mobile. Otherwise, you're just giving a be "F* You!" to mobile users since the experience on your site is broken.

brazzledazzle 11y ago

In the case of hover-based UIs is it more about common functionality? You can tap/click on both platforms, so is it easier to develop a single UI? One that uses the capabilities they have in common vs developing a unique interface for each device type?

justuk 11y ago
It feels like desktop is taking a hit for the team because a less sophisticated member is tagging along. I watch all these websites convert over to responsive designs and very few of them are a step forward. It's like they've gone from tools aimed at adults to toys for children.
- charlesarthur 11y ago
  What's happened is that they've gone to "sites with smaller viewports and less precise input methods because they don't have a mouse and keyboard attached". And in case it had also passed you by, mobile is the predominant method of browsing for a huge number of sites all over the world. Consider Google, which says that mobile search outnumbers desktop in 10 major countries. Do you hear Larry Page moaning about how people are using the "wrong" method to access the site? Nope. Instead, Google rejigged its algorithm to favour "mobile-friendly" sites. So let's see, that ranges you, preferring desktop, against Google, monitoring the direction of travel. Think I'd bet with the latter. You can bemoan the way that mobile input has to adapt. Or you can revel in the way that smart UX designers figure the best way to adapt, as outlined in the original post. I know which I prefer.
  - simoncion 11y ago
    > ...sites with smaller viewports... Every smartphone sold in America in the last four years has a far higher screen resolution than the machine on which I first browsed the internet back in the 1990s. Indeed, most of them have a higher screen resolution than the laptop on which I regularly browse the internet today! So, no, the viewports on mobile devices aren't really smaller. It is -however- very true that one's input method is substantially less precise than when using a mouse. But, it's not that much less precise than when using a pen or stylus. :) > Instead, Google rejigged its algorithm to favour "mobile-friendly" sites. Sure. But, OP is not talking about Google's search ranking algorithm. Google didn't make dumbed-down versions of the UI of their sites because folks are mostly visiting with finger-navigated devices. Until recently, Google worked hard to make UIs that are both full-featured and useful for folks navigating with a mouse and with their finger.

hibikir 11y ago

It's a matter of resources. If you get a lot of business from different devices, you can do it the Netflix way, and build customized experiences for everyone and everything. In practice, we often have to choose between providing a bad mobile experience, or making the desktop experience weaker, by not using many tricks that are not available in the small touchscreen environment. It's not an issue of design, but dollars and cents.