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I'm rather confused why not contact a lawyer and pursue legal action? world-glance.com screams caution since there is so much missing, team info, personal name

by lingben 11y ago

I'm rather confused why not contact a lawyer and pursue legal action? world-glance.com screams caution since there is so much missing, team info, personal names & bios, contact, address, etc. and it was only registered in Feb 2015 and has whois privacy protection http://whois.domaintools.com/world-glance.com http://whois.domaintools.com/world-glance.com privacy protection is not normally an issue but when a COMPANY (not personal!) webpage has no personal details, address, phone, etc. it is a huge redflag don't mean to criticize a victim of fraud but no reputable VC or investor would be asking for money for petty expenses like a cab or flight, etc. The whole point of this is that they are the ones that are supposed to have money and they may or may not give it to you. Not the other way around :/ But I get it, she was using the 'boiling frog' strategy

npsomaratna 11y ago
I agree. Also, publishing this stuff online might weaken his legal hand.
aikah 11y ago
Absolutely, the owner of this website could be sued for slander. If everything in this story is true then just sue Cecile because she obviously committed fraud, the case should be a slam dunk. Then expose her once she has been sentenced to prison. edit: Cecile's website is a joke : http://world-glance.com/ http://world-glance.com/ Does it look like a serious VC to anybody? there is absolutely no information whatsoever. Remember the legend about about nigerian scammers? they make it so obvious it is a scam to screen people, that website feels a bit like that.
- loceng 11y ago
  Slander is for false statements, it doesn't look like these are false.
- fleitz 11y ago
  That would presuppose Celine has money to afford lawyers, if she does, that would be the point to recover the funds, and/or countersue for fraud.
- declan 11y ago
  > sue Cecile... Then expose her once she has been sentenced to prison. First, if you sue someone, it's a civil action, not a criminal prosecution. Second, if any statements are defamatory, they would be libel, not slander. Third, truth is an absolute defense against libel claims. (And just for completeness, the U.S. does not have criminal libel laws.)
  - _delirium 11y ago
    > the U.S. does not have criminal libel laws Some states do have criminal-libel laws, though there isn't a federal one. See: http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/criminal-libel-statutes-state-by-state http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/criminal-libel-statutes-...
    - declan 11y ago
      Quite right. I should have been more clear: Criminal libel laws may still be in the statute books, much like laws may still exist requiring someone carrying a red flag to walk in front of horseless carriages. But we should expect prosecutions under criminal libel laws to fail because of the modern interpretation of the First Amendment (and state constitutional protections that may be broader). For instance a court in the 1990s struck down Montana's criminal libel law as unconstitutional: https://casetext.com/case/state-v-helfrich-1 https://casetext.com/case/state-v-helfrich-1 But as far as I know it is still on the books.
- hluska 11y ago
  Between: a) absolutely horrible, meaningless copy. b) A very poorly designed website. c) a very weird photo of gazelle which appears to have been taken from aliexpress.com (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Animal-Gazelle-2-Poster-3-Sizes-Silk-Fabric-Canvas-Poster-Print/32366799006.html http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Animal-Gazelle-2-Poster-3-Siz...) d) a host shared by another 18,000 websites (according to Bing) This company genuinely does not look real. I understand that the writer would be extremely excited by the prospect of a $4m investment, but I also feel like he should have done a little more due diligence. Based on what I see, I can't imagine genuinely expecting to receive $4m from this firm...
  - hackaflocka 11y ago
    Hi there -- please share how one can find out how many websites are sharing a host via Bing. Thanks!
    - icelancer 11y ago
      Just use DNSstuff. Her site is simply a branded Wordpress.com account. http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools#dnsReport|type=domain&&value=cecileortlieb.com http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools#dnsReport|type=domain&&value=c...
      - hluska 11y ago
        Two things. First, cecileortlieb.com is not actually Cecile's website - it is the website that hosted that article which claims that she is a scammer. Cecile claims to be with world-glance.com. He site would be here: http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools#dnsReport|type=domain&&value=world-glance.com http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools#dnsReport|type=domain&&value=w... Second, dnsstuff is great - I haven't used it before, but I have it bookmarked now.
    - hluska 11y ago
      Hi there; I don't know if Bing's numbers are completely accurate and you may find better ways to get this information (dnsstuff.com is sure useful). In this case, I was looking into world-glance.com so I will use that website as an example. 1) ping world-glance.com - this shows an IP address of 94.136.40.15 2) Go to bing.com - search for 'IP:94.136.40.15' (without the quotes) It will show 18,800 results. I hope that this helps...:)
_delirium 11y ago
If all she's been getting out of the "potential investor" scam is free dinners/trips/etc. and doesn't have significant assets, suing her is probably a money-losing proposition.
- giarc 11y ago
  As the author mentioned, perhaps she stole something from their house or normally would but the camera's made her stray from her usual tactics.
- bosie 11y ago
  since i don't know how to contact you elsewhere, I am going to ask in a thread. I just noticed in your profile you mentioned moving from copenhagen to the US. what happened?
  - _delirium 11y ago
    Family & work reasons. My parents live in the U.S., and I had a contract position at a university in Copenhagen that was extended a few times and recently ended, so it was a good time for a move. Copenhagen's a nice place to live though!
    - bosie 11y ago
      Thanks for the reply, I will miss your insights on HN about copenhagen and denmark!
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revelation 11y ago
Presumably that isn't her name.
- giarc 11y ago
  I was thinking the same thing, but if he was booking her plane tickets (or other people have in the past) would they not need to book user her real name (so it matches her passport).
morgante 11y ago
> I'm rather confused why not contact a lawyer and pursue legal action? It sounds like all she really got was a few meals, lodging for a few days, and a taxi ride. It would cost the author much more to sue than he could recover.
beagle3 11y ago
> I'm rather confused why not contact a lawyer and pursue legal action? What kind of legal action would you pursue? She likely has no funds whatsoever to go after. I would contact a lawyer in this case, for sure - but I don't think it makes any sense to pursue legal action here - legal action is very expensive, and it is very likely throwing good money after bad money. The only actions that make sense to me are police/interpol complaints, and (possibly, depending on lawyer advice) public naming and shaming - which this website does. Note that the "naming and shaming" doesn't actually give anything back to those who were scammed - it's mostly a public service for the rest of the world.
peterjancelis 11y ago
Sue for what? Cecile sounds very broke to me...

by lingben 11y ago

npsomaratna 11y ago

I agree. Also, publishing this stuff online might weaken his legal hand.

aikah 11y ago

Absolutely, the owner of this website could be sued for slander. If everything in this story is true then just sue Cecile because she obviously committed fraud, the case should be a slam dunk. Then expose her once she has been sentenced to prison. edit: Cecile's website is a joke : http://world-glance.com/ http://world-glance.com/ Does it look like a serious VC to anybody? there is absolutely no information whatsoever. Remember the legend about about nigerian scammers? they make it so obvious it is a scam to screen people, that website feels a bit like that.

loceng 11y ago
Slander is for false statements, it doesn't look like these are false.
fleitz 11y ago
That would presuppose Celine has money to afford lawyers, if she does, that would be the point to recover the funds, and/or countersue for fraud.
declan 11y ago
> sue Cecile... Then expose her once she has been sentenced to prison. First, if you sue someone, it's a civil action, not a criminal prosecution. Second, if any statements are defamatory, they would be libel, not slander. Third, truth is an absolute defense against libel claims. (And just for completeness, the U.S. does not have criminal libel laws.)
- _delirium 11y ago
  > the U.S. does not have criminal libel laws Some states do have criminal-libel laws, though there isn't a federal one. See: http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/criminal-libel-statutes-state-by-state http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/criminal-libel-statutes-...
  - declan 11y ago
    Quite right. I should have been more clear: Criminal libel laws may still be in the statute books, much like laws may still exist requiring someone carrying a red flag to walk in front of horseless carriages. But we should expect prosecutions under criminal libel laws to fail because of the modern interpretation of the First Amendment (and state constitutional protections that may be broader). For instance a court in the 1990s struck down Montana's criminal libel law as unconstitutional: https://casetext.com/case/state-v-helfrich-1 https://casetext.com/case/state-v-helfrich-1 But as far as I know it is still on the books.
hluska 11y ago
Between: a) absolutely horrible, meaningless copy. b) A very poorly designed website. c) a very weird photo of gazelle which appears to have been taken from aliexpress.com (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Animal-Gazelle-2-Poster-3-Sizes-Silk-Fabric-Canvas-Poster-Print/32366799006.html http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Animal-Gazelle-2-Poster-3-Siz...) d) a host shared by another 18,000 websites (according to Bing) This company genuinely does not look real. I understand that the writer would be extremely excited by the prospect of a $4m investment, but I also feel like he should have done a little more due diligence. Based on what I see, I can't imagine genuinely expecting to receive $4m from this firm...
- hackaflocka 11y ago
  Hi there -- please share how one can find out how many websites are sharing a host via Bing. Thanks!
  - icelancer 11y ago
    Just use DNSstuff. Her site is simply a branded Wordpress.com account. http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools#dnsReport|type=domain&&value=cecileortlieb.com http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools#dnsReport|type=domain&&value=c...
    - hluska 11y ago
      Two things. First, cecileortlieb.com is not actually Cecile's website - it is the website that hosted that article which claims that she is a scammer. Cecile claims to be with world-glance.com. He site would be here: http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools#dnsReport|type=domain&&value=world-glance.com http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools#dnsReport|type=domain&&value=w... Second, dnsstuff is great - I haven't used it before, but I have it bookmarked now.
  - hluska 11y ago
    Hi there; I don't know if Bing's numbers are completely accurate and you may find better ways to get this information (dnsstuff.com is sure useful). In this case, I was looking into world-glance.com so I will use that website as an example. 1) ping world-glance.com - this shows an IP address of 94.136.40.15 2) Go to bing.com - search for 'IP:94.136.40.15' (without the quotes) It will show 18,800 results. I hope that this helps...:)

_delirium 11y ago

If all she's been getting out of the "potential investor" scam is free dinners/trips/etc. and doesn't have significant assets, suing her is probably a money-losing proposition.

giarc 11y ago
As the author mentioned, perhaps she stole something from their house or normally would but the camera's made her stray from her usual tactics.
bosie 11y ago
since i don't know how to contact you elsewhere, I am going to ask in a thread. I just noticed in your profile you mentioned moving from copenhagen to the US. what happened?
- _delirium 11y ago
  Family & work reasons. My parents live in the U.S., and I had a contract position at a university in Copenhagen that was extended a few times and recently ended, so it was a good time for a move. Copenhagen's a nice place to live though!
  - bosie 11y ago
    Thanks for the reply, I will miss your insights on HN about copenhagen and denmark!

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revelation 11y ago

Presumably that isn't her name.

giarc 11y ago
I was thinking the same thing, but if he was booking her plane tickets (or other people have in the past) would they not need to book user her real name (so it matches her passport).

morgante 11y ago

> I'm rather confused why not contact a lawyer and pursue legal action? It sounds like all she really got was a few meals, lodging for a few days, and a taxi ride. It would cost the author much more to sue than he could recover.

beagle3 11y ago

> I'm rather confused why not contact a lawyer and pursue legal action? What kind of legal action would you pursue? She likely has no funds whatsoever to go after. I would contact a lawyer in this case, for sure - but I don't think it makes any sense to pursue legal action here - legal action is very expensive, and it is very likely throwing good money after bad money. The only actions that make sense to me are police/interpol complaints, and (possibly, depending on lawyer advice) public naming and shaming - which this website does. Note that the "naming and shaming" doesn't actually give anything back to those who were scammed - it's mostly a public service for the rest of the world.

peterjancelis 11y ago

Sue for what? Cecile sounds very broke to me...