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Risks to Flying in Asia

14 points by wyclif 11y ago

Aardwolf 11y ago
I see beautifully rendered clouds through which you're moving, and it responds to the mouse. Both before and after allowing Flash. But for the rest nothing happens? Could it be broken in my browser? Using Firefox. EDIT: Never mind, there's a scrollbar... proof that the recent trend in webdesign of non-obvious scrollability is confusing :)
- fragsworth 11y ago
  This trend got me to miss at least 10 articles, not knowing what was wrong with them. I have only recently learned to check if scrolling does something. Glad to know I'm not the only one.
dredmorbius 11y ago
Another case of presentation interferes with story.
- Joyfield 11y ago
  Reverse for me.
  - dredmorbius 11y ago
    Failure to degrade gracefully, and leaving artifacts all over the page, on "unsupported" devices / browsers (which, thanks for caring, aren't upgradable).
solomatov 11y ago
This page makes my computer's fan run wildly.
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djcapelis 11y ago
I've happily been on airplanes in most of the countries discussed. From small airlines who gave me handwritten boarding passes in Myanmar to non-western but world-class carriers that are still banned from US airspace over safety issues from the past to flights in and out of many of these airports using major international carriers. This is a fascinating article about a lot of aspects of development and parts where different airports are behind, but getting on an airplane in Asia is still one of the safer things I do on that continent. (Or any others I've been on.) I find US media has a habit of doing hand-wringing about other countries safety problems, or perceived safety problems when there's really not a substantial difference in outcomes. Also... specifically in the case of South Korea, I find it funny the article breathlessly implies that since South Korea has only installed two wind down-shear warning systems, that's somehow behind the curve. That almost certainly means ICN has one, which means a shockingly large percentage of that country's international flights are through an airport with coverage. Assuming the other system is either at Gimpo or Busan, that takes care of a large percentage of the remaining traffic. (There's certainly domestic air travel in South Korea, but last time I needed to move about the country, I just took the KTX bullet train. So much more awesome.) WSJ's implication that South Korea is unspeakably behind in deploying these systems seems a little strange. I'm surprised they don't have computerized flow management, but I'd also be interested to understand why. I'd hazard a guess it might be because a lot of the traffic in that country is on either approach or take off, so it's already in local controllers hands and flow control for transiting traffic is simply not a large part of their controllers' duties? I dunno, anyone an aircraft controller who can shine light on this one? :) I doubt South Korea hasn't deployed the technology because they can't or don't want to, Seoul makes most any American city feel like the the past in comparison. I live in SF and coming home from some of the cities in Asia feels like moving backwards a decade.
shulu 11y ago
Asia has lower or similar accident rate normalized to traffic compare to NA and EU, according to ICAO, for 2010 - 2013. I cannot find report for 2014. http://www.icao.int/safety/Documents/ICAO_State-of-Global-Safety_web_EN.pdf http://www.icao.int/safety/Documents/ICAO_State-of-Global-Sa... http://www.icao.int/safety/Documents/ICAO_SGAS_2012_final.pdf http://www.icao.int/safety/Documents/ICAO_SGAS_2012_final.pd... http://www.icao.int/safety/Documents/ICAO_2013-Safety-Report_FINAL.pdf http://www.icao.int/safety/Documents/ICAO_2013-Safety-Report... http://www.icao.int/safety/Documents/ICAO_2014%20Safety%20Report_final_02042014_web.pdf http://www.icao.int/safety/Documents/ICAO_2014%20Safety%20Re... This in contrast of the 2008 accident rate quoted. Might we say Asia flight is getting safer the FASTEST?

14 points by wyclif 11y ago

I see beautifully rendered clouds through which you're moving, and it responds to the mouse. Both before and after allowing Flash. But for the rest nothing happens? Could it be broken in my browser? Using Firefox. EDIT: Never mind, there's a scrollbar... proof that the recent trend in webdesign of non-obvious scrollability is confusing :)

fragsworth 11y ago
This trend got me to miss at least 10 articles, not knowing what was wrong with them. I have only recently learned to check if scrolling does something. Glad to know I'm not the only one.

dredmorbius 11y ago

Another case of presentation interferes with story.

Joyfield 11y ago
Reverse for me.
- dredmorbius 11y ago
  Failure to degrade gracefully, and leaving artifacts all over the page, on "unsupported" devices / browsers (which, thanks for caring, aren't upgradable).

solomatov 11y ago

This page makes my computer's fan run wildly.

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djcapelis 11y ago

I've happily been on airplanes in most of the countries discussed. From small airlines who gave me handwritten boarding passes in Myanmar to non-western but world-class carriers that are still banned from US airspace over safety issues from the past to flights in and out of many of these airports using major international carriers. This is a fascinating article about a lot of aspects of development and parts where different airports are behind, but getting on an airplane in Asia is still one of the safer things I do on that continent. (Or any others I've been on.) I find US media has a habit of doing hand-wringing about other countries safety problems, or perceived safety problems when there's really not a substantial difference in outcomes. Also... specifically in the case of South Korea, I find it funny the article breathlessly implies that since South Korea has only installed two wind down-shear warning systems, that's somehow behind the curve. That almost certainly means ICN has one, which means a shockingly large percentage of that country's international flights are through an airport with coverage. Assuming the other system is either at Gimpo or Busan, that takes care of a large percentage of the remaining traffic. (There's certainly domestic air travel in South Korea, but last time I needed to move about the country, I just took the KTX bullet train. So much more awesome.) WSJ's implication that South Korea is unspeakably behind in deploying these systems seems a little strange. I'm surprised they don't have computerized flow management, but I'd also be interested to understand why. I'd hazard a guess it might be because a lot of the traffic in that country is on either approach or take off, so it's already in local controllers hands and flow control for transiting traffic is simply not a large part of their controllers' duties? I dunno, anyone an aircraft controller who can shine light on this one? :) I doubt South Korea hasn't deployed the technology because they can't or don't want to, Seoul makes most any American city feel like the the past in comparison. I live in SF and coming home from some of the cities in Asia feels like moving backwards a decade.

shulu 11y ago

Asia has lower or similar accident rate normalized to traffic compare to NA and EU, according to ICAO, for 2010 - 2013. I cannot find report for 2014. http://www.icao.int/safety/Documents/ICAO_State-of-Global-Safety_web_EN.pdf http://www.icao.int/safety/Documents/ICAO_State-of-Global-Sa... http://www.icao.int/safety/Documents/ICAO_SGAS_2012_final.pdf http://www.icao.int/safety/Documents/ICAO_SGAS_2012_final.pd... http://www.icao.int/safety/Documents/ICAO_2013-Safety-Report_FINAL.pdf http://www.icao.int/safety/Documents/ICAO_2013-Safety-Report... http://www.icao.int/safety/Documents/ICAO_2014%20Safety%20Report_final_02042014_web.pdf http://www.icao.int/safety/Documents/ICAO_2014%20Safety%20Re... This in contrast of the 2008 accident rate quoted. Might we say Asia flight is getting safer the FASTEST?