>but it has the shortest path to "shit's on screen" amongst web-based scripting languages Let us see. You follow the shortest path to make a service/web app. I

>but it has the shortest path to "shit's on screen" amongst web-based scripting languages Let us see. You follow the shortest path to make a service/web app. I use your service/app. You get hacked. (By the way, has the php community yet have a clue how the php.net site got hacked, like, I don't know, 2 years back?), I am fucked. Who wins? Instead, what if you put in the effort to actually educate yourself about the stuff you need to know before you put a service online? What if you actually use a language that is not a complete mine field. What if you actually use a language that will actually tell you that you are wrong, right to your face, instead of conveniently working half of the time? And the funny thing is that it is not even the shortest path to "shit on screen". Check out how easy it is in python to put stuff on screen http://flask.pocoo.org/ http://flask.pocoo.org/ The worst thing right now is people who are actually promoting php to new comers! My earlier comment was removed from here, because I told not to start programming careers with PHP.