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Your attitude is exactly the part of the problem described in the post. For me, web development with all its exaggerated quirks and fast evolution of JavaScript

by vdaniuk 11y ago

Your attitude is exactly the part of the problem described in the post. For me, web development with all its exaggerated quirks and fast evolution of JavaScript frameworks is very exciting.

gaius 11y ago
Exciting in the sense that every project you do is either your first in a particular framework, or involves maintaining or adding features to a project that was someone's first use of it... This is a horrible way to work.
- vdaniuk 11y ago
  Do you have any data to confirm your statement about web developers doing X where X is your claims about first projects?
im3w1l 11y ago
If we disregard "It's hard to get excited about this," which is just parent's subjective opinion, I think it's a plausible criticism of the field. Do you think it is wrong, and could you back it up?
- vdaniuk 11y ago
  Yes, I can back up that this "plausible criticism of the industry" has no roots in reality whatsoever. >Sign: "It has been [0] days since the last new Javascript framework." Web developers must run very hard to stay in the same place. We are talking about front end frameworks here, right? Ok, here is data for usage of front-end frameworks for a top million websites: Angular is used on 0.4% [0] Ember is used on <0.1% [1] React is used on <0.1% [2] jQuery is used on 63% [3] What conclusions are evident from these numbers? Modern "[0] days since..." JavaScript frameworks are used on the minuscule number of websites and therefore, empirically, an absolute majority of web developers must NOT run very hard to stay in the same place. Even Backbone which is a reaaally old framework in JavaScript world is used only on 1.1%[4] of top websites. So what do you say to this? [0] https://trends.builtwith.com/javascript/Angular-JS https://trends.builtwith.com/javascript/Angular-JS [1] https://trends.builtwith.com/javascript/Ember https://trends.builtwith.com/javascript/Ember [2] https://trends.builtwith.com/javascript/React https://trends.builtwith.com/javascript/React [3] https://trends.builtwith.com/javascript/jQuery https://trends.builtwith.com/javascript/jQuery [4] https://trends.builtwith.com/javascript/Backbone.js https://trends.builtwith.com/javascript/Backbone.js
  - im3w1l 11y ago
    I appreciate your refutation.
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by vdaniuk 11y ago

Your attitude is exactly the part of the problem described in the post. For me, web development with all its exaggerated quirks and fast evolution of JavaScript frameworks is very exciting.

gaius 11y ago

Exciting in the sense that every project you do is either your first in a particular framework, or involves maintaining or adding features to a project that was someone's first use of it... This is a horrible way to work.

vdaniuk 11y ago
Do you have any data to confirm your statement about web developers doing X where X is your claims about first projects?

im3w1l 11y ago

If we disregard "It's hard to get excited about this," which is just parent's subjective opinion, I think it's a plausible criticism of the field. Do you think it is wrong, and could you back it up?

vdaniuk 11y ago
Yes, I can back up that this "plausible criticism of the industry" has no roots in reality whatsoever. >Sign: "It has been [0] days since the last new Javascript framework." Web developers must run very hard to stay in the same place. We are talking about front end frameworks here, right? Ok, here is data for usage of front-end frameworks for a top million websites: Angular is used on 0.4% [0] Ember is used on <0.1% [1] React is used on <0.1% [2] jQuery is used on 63% [3] What conclusions are evident from these numbers? Modern "[0] days since..." JavaScript frameworks are used on the minuscule number of websites and therefore, empirically, an absolute majority of web developers must NOT run very hard to stay in the same place. Even Backbone which is a reaaally old framework in JavaScript world is used only on 1.1%[4] of top websites. So what do you say to this? [0] https://trends.builtwith.com/javascript/Angular-JS https://trends.builtwith.com/javascript/Angular-JS [1] https://trends.builtwith.com/javascript/Ember https://trends.builtwith.com/javascript/Ember [2] https://trends.builtwith.com/javascript/React https://trends.builtwith.com/javascript/React [3] https://trends.builtwith.com/javascript/jQuery https://trends.builtwith.com/javascript/jQuery [4] https://trends.builtwith.com/javascript/Backbone.js https://trends.builtwith.com/javascript/Backbone.js
- im3w1l 11y ago
  I appreciate your refutation.
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