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You usually send them based on performance in national comp, so there is no subjective selection, you just have to make it to top 5
by fijal 11y ago
You usually send them based on performance in national comp, so there is no subjective selection, you just have to make it to top 5
- RA_Fisher 11y agoTests are written by people and their biases recognized or unrecognized will end up in tests. What about the way math is taught? Or the perceptions of gender differentials in math? I'm thankful that I have the privilege of not being told that my gender was a handicap for my field (statistics).
- Moshe_Silnorin 11y agoHow could mathematical tests be biased? I mean, math is math is math. What would a non-biased math test even look like?
- RA_Fisher 11y agoOne simple way, just as a contrived counter-example are gendered questions or questions that assume gendered cultural capital.
- Moshe_Silnorin 11y agoI'm not sure what that would look like. I mean whatever ornaments are in the word problem, the thing that matters is the math underneath. You seem to think female maths enthusiasts will get distracted by "gendered" ornamentation and find themselves unable to see the math underneath - which itself seems like an oddly sexist idea. Do you honestly think if we printed the tests on pink paper and made all the word problems about stereotypically feminine things, the results would change appreciatively. Isn't it possible that, on average, women are just less likely to be interested in mathematics competitions. Is this necessarily a bad thing so long as those that are are not discriminated against? Edit: And as for your comment below, I'm unsure of what the particularities of Thai dress and ceremony has to to with the posited inherent sexism of maths tests. And honestly do you really think women avoid maths competitions because they might eventually meet some foreign women in traditional dress?
- RA_Fisher 11y agoLook carefully at the role of women in the headline photo, and you might see it. They're there only to be looked at, to adorn the men. This is a pretty basic and common representation of the reasons I believe women tend to be under-represented in situations like this.
- pervycreeper 11y ago>gendered questions or questions that assume gendered cultural capital Q. Prove Bob has a winning strategy against Alice. A. The Patriarchy! QED 7/7 Edit: Seriously, what could that even mean?
- tokenrove 11y agoYou might find the results summarized in Sian Beilock's book "Choke" of interest.
- blahblah3 11y ago"Tests are written by people and their biases recognized or unrecognized will end up in tests" Honestly I have an extremely hard time imagining how math exams are gender biased. Have you even taken a look at this year or past imo's? You're speaking completely hypothetically and it sounds like nonsense. Here is problem 2: Determine all triples (a,b,c) of positive integers such that each of the numbers ab-c,bc-a,ca-b is a power of 2. As for: "perceptions of gender differentials in math" , sure that should be worked on. But it is not the fault of the contest organizes or team selectors who uses a series of objective exams and scores to determine the team members.
- RA_Fisher 11y agoSure, but I doubt the same is true for all of the tests and educational materials that preceded this particular test. Or, or perhaps the teachers. Women are commonly beat down and told they suck and are inferior to men in STEM areas or tokenized or marginalized. All I'm asking for is that we examine, "why might a gender imbalance exist?"
- yumadbro 11y agoHave you considered the possibility that women are mentally inferior at math, like the same way they have inferior spatial awareness, and physical strength. What do want to do? Sue god for sexism? The way you handle this cognitive dissonance is fascinating.
- yumadbro 11y agoMaybe women just suck at math, have you considered that one?