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The more interesting thing to me is not just that the base salaries were different, but that her personal bonuses were denied by her manager while her male cowo

The more interesting thing to me is not just that the base salaries were different, but that her personal bonuses were denied by her manager while her male coworker's bonuses were awarded — despite both of them being involved with the creation and distribution of the spreadsheet. Regarding negotiation, I don't think companies really benefit from doing it. If they offer as much as they are willing to pay for your talent up-front, then you can adopt a take it or leave it attitude. The company will gain the benefit of increasing pay equality. Having pay equality is a step towards increasing diversity, and increased diversity will produce better products and companies.

jdmichal 11y ago
> The more interesting thing to me is not just that the base salaries were different, but that her personal bonuses were denied by her manager while her male coworker's bonuses were awarded — despite both of them being involved with the creation and distribution of the spreadsheet. There's nothing that says they had the same manager. They may have, in which case this is very suspect. Or they could have had different managers who were reacting differently to the situation.
- interpol_p 11y ago
  That's true, it's too little data to draw any useful conclusion from.
- rustynails 11y ago
  The bonuses are awarded at the boss' discretion. If s/he didn't like her, there would be a bias against her. It's no different in social circles, discussion forums, etc. it's not necessarily performance or knowledge that gets the kudos. So, it's very likely she was being overlooked because the boss didn't like of respect her. I am making no comment or judgement on her.
toephu2 11y ago
> and increased diversity will produce better products and companies really? do you have proof for that? I'm all for diversity and everything, but hiring just to fill racial quotas or gender quotas is NOT the solution to building a successful company.
- interpol_p 11y ago
  From a quick googling on the subject, sorry I don't have time to dig up more right now. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-diversity-makes-us-smarter/ http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-diversity-make... The tagline: "Being around people who are different from us makes us more creative, more diligent and harder-working"
- gaius 11y ago
  The truth is that gender, sexuality and race are irrelevant if all your employees are 20-something graduates of the same 10 CS programmes.

jdmichal 11y ago

> The more interesting thing to me is not just that the base salaries were different, but that her personal bonuses were denied by her manager while her male coworker's bonuses were awarded — despite both of them being involved with the creation and distribution of the spreadsheet. There's nothing that says they had the same manager. They may have, in which case this is very suspect. Or they could have had different managers who were reacting differently to the situation.

interpol_p 11y ago
That's true, it's too little data to draw any useful conclusion from.
rustynails 11y ago
The bonuses are awarded at the boss' discretion. If s/he didn't like her, there would be a bias against her. It's no different in social circles, discussion forums, etc. it's not necessarily performance or knowledge that gets the kudos. So, it's very likely she was being overlooked because the boss didn't like of respect her. I am making no comment or judgement on her.

toephu2 11y ago

> and increased diversity will produce better products and companies really? do you have proof for that? I'm all for diversity and everything, but hiring just to fill racial quotas or gender quotas is NOT the solution to building a successful company.

interpol_p 11y ago
From a quick googling on the subject, sorry I don't have time to dig up more right now. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-diversity-makes-us-smarter/ http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-diversity-make... The tagline: "Being around people who are different from us makes us more creative, more diligent and harder-working"
gaius 11y ago
The truth is that gender, sexuality and race are irrelevant if all your employees are 20-something graduates of the same 10 CS programmes.