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Yes, I remember this spreadsheet. It listed pay by SWE (software engineer) level and geography. Google has ~10 levels for SWE's. Most people are either SWE II,
by marcell 11y ago
Yes, I remember this spreadsheet. It listed pay by SWE (software engineer) level and geography.
Google has ~10 levels for SWE's. Most people are either SWE II, SWE II, or Senior SWE, and about 10% are higher than Senior SWE. In the Bay Area, IIRC, pay is in the $110k range for SWE II (base), around $140k for SWE III, and around $170k for senior. There is additional bonus (15%) and stock (can be 15-30% of base, depending on circumstances), and health insurance. Within level it varies by +/- $10k in base, and there are proportionally fewer women at Senior SWE and higher levels.
- gohrt 11y agoThe data in the OP shows that the variation is far higher than you exist.
- bagels 11y agoI don't see any data listed, did I miss it?
- georgemcbay 11y agoI didn't either, though it may very well be there. Twitter is a horrid medium for this sort of story and I really wish the teller had done a more traditional blog post, though ultimately I'm glad she told the story publicly at all rather than not tell it.
- ryanr1230 11y agoFrom what I've read I thought she was careful to keep all the information internal to the company, which seems to strengthen her case that she didn't really do anything wrong.
- DannyBee 11y agoVariation in self-reporting? Well I never!
- hobo_mark 11y agoWhat's left after-tax in the Bay Area for this kind of salaries?
- hueving 11y agoAwful. Then it gets even worse when you consider that you pour a huge chunk into rent and you make too much to get any deductions for student loan payments, rent, etc. Don't forget to tack on the higher cost of living as well. If you get an SF offer and are comparing it to normal US cities (not NY), just chop 40% off. This will give you an idea: https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=moving+from++San+Francisco+to+St+Louis+salary+%24150%2C000 https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=moving+from++San+Franc...
- githulhu 11y agoSure, but then you have to live in St. Louis, Missouri. I'm sure I could move to a third world country and have an even lower cost of living. As though it were otherwise equivalent to living in a top US city.
- xirdstl 11y agoNot everyone considers SF to be a top US city. To each his own.
- eloff 11y agoSpeaking as someone who lives in a developing world tax haven, I'd almost rather live here than in SF, even if they cost the same. But it's not even close. I told the Google recruiter that they can't afford me, so please stop emailing me. They can't pay me enough to make up for the difference in cost of living.
- fixermark 11y agoI've visited SF and the outlying areas. It's nice. But with all the car traffic to get anywhere outside the mass-transit grid (and the West Coast sprawl that's a side-effect of having enough land to sprawl onto), it's not nearly nice enough to justify the outsized cost of living. Maybe in the future my attitude will change, but as of right now you literally could not pay me enough to move to the SF / MTV area.
- michaelochurch 11y agoI will confirm that these numbers are accurate. I've heard that bonus percentages improve when you reach Staff. Google also has, interesting enough, High Compensation Plans (HCPs) for people it's trying to bring in from finance. On an HCP, you get faster promotions and usually you are on the management ladder, which is much easier to climb, especially past level 7+. So, if you come from Wall Street, you can be a Software Manager III or Director but write code full time.
- packetslave 11y agoYou worked there for 6 months, and it was 4 years ago. You're hardly in a position to "confirm" anything.
- michaelochurch 11y agoYou are incorrect if you think that that's my only source of information. Please leave and let the adults talk.
- dang 11y ago> Please leave and let the adults talk. You know that personal attacks are not ok here.
- michaelochurch 11y agoI have no idea who he is on a "personal" basis. I am attacking the quality of one contribution, which is demonstrably low. He (or she) could be a great person and I'd have no idea, and frankly, it doesn't matter to this thread of discussion. To be frank, you are trying way too hard to impose Bay Area Passive-Aggressive Culture on the rest of us. It's not a "personal attack" to acknowledge the low quality and demonstrated immaturity in someone's message-board post. It's necessary. It keeps all of us in check (and, yes, even I need to be kept in check from time to time). It's also not "negativity" to point out that there's a lot of moral rot and frank stupidity going on (and that will hurt all of us, when the chickens come home to roost) in the Bay Area tech scene. The best way to keep Clinkles rare is to bash them mercilessly when they happen. One of the reasons why the Bay Area is such a horrible place right now (and it wasn't always that way) is that the leading venture capitalists are people with absolutely no sense of shame about anything, because they've warped the "anything goes" California culture of the 1960s into this idea that they can fund Clinkles and not be mocked for it. Bring in a few proper Northerners wielding Hammers of Judgment, and it will change. There are times when ridicule is the most potent moral force, and we are in one such era. To block it, under the supposition that it's "negative", is to foster a world in which no one knows right from wrong, quality from garbage, up from down or left from right. It's to create a world in which grown men and women wearing unicorn costumes on Youtube to promote their businesses, is tolerated. (See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMJIBxtDUHc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMJIBxtDUHc ). Fuck that shit. I don't attack anonymous Internet identities "personally". I attack stupidity, and it's a necessary function.