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> Our intelligence grows from childhood over many years of training, through our physical and mental interactions with the world. We learn methods along side ex
by RoboTeddy 11y ago
> Our intelligence grows from childhood over many years of training, through our physical and mental interactions with the world. We learn methods along side experiences. It is not about the speed of linear computation, or the amount of memory.
There's nothing in principle that prevents machines from learning methods. For example, there's software that can learn some simple algorithms: http://arxiv.org/abs/1410.5401 http://arxiv.org/abs/1410.5401
> Do we know what intelligence is?
It's hard to pin down exactly what anything is (unless it's something we constructed from axioms). I'd be hard pressed to tell you exactly what a car is (must it have exactly 4 wheels?) -- but I still look for them when I cross the street.
You know intelligence when you see it. Bill Gates is more intelligent than a fish. That's a useful distinction to make in the world! (And that's what words are for)
> Why would be make something to imitate our own?
It's economically valuable! That's why Facebook, Google, Microsoft, Baidu, IBM are collectively investing billions of dollars per year.
> Would an artificial system have curiosity? (perish all the Internet cats!)
From the outside, curiosity looks like a drive to explore without a definite prediction about how it might help you achieve ultimate goals.
Curiosity in that sense should automatically appear in some (theoretical) systems -- for example, Marcus Hutter's AIXI formalism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIXI https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIXI).
More concretely (but less directly akin to curiosity), algorithms that make tradeoffs between exploitation and exploration, such as solutions to the Multi-armed bandit problem (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-armed_bandit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-armed_bandit) could display a kind of curiosity. When faced with a number of lotto levers, with independent and unknown payout schedules, the optimal solution involves switching around between exploiting known high-payout levers and becoming "curious" and trying out new levers.
The Monte Carlo tree search (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monte_Carlo_tree_search https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monte_Carlo_tree_search) algorithm used to make Go AIs employs such a strategy (http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.102.1296 http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.102....). The algorithm tries out certain variations of play, and then sometimes becomes "curious" as to whether certain other lines of play might be better, and switches over to deepening its investigation of them.
These are just examples of things that are somewhat functionally equivalent to curiosity from the outside -- it says nothing about the internal sensation of curiosity that humans experience. I have no idea what's necessary for that!
> Why do we think that intelligence would escape and kill us?
If there _were_ extremely intelligent software (a huge if!), it does seem ridiculous to claim that it'd escape or hurt people. Why would it be driven to do such a thing? The argument espoused by some very smart people e.g. Elon Musk, Stuart Russell (http://edge.org/conversation/the-myth-of-ai#26015 http://edge.org/conversation/the-myth-of-ai#26015), Bill Gates, Stephen Hawking, et al runs a bit like this:
Intelligent software, without being malevolent per-se, might in the pursuit of its goals incidentally do things that people don't like. (More on this line of reasoning: https://selfawaresystems.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/ai_drives_final.pdf https://selfawaresystems.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/ai_driv...)
Humans don't harbor a particular ill-will towards ants, but if we become interested in some (orthogonal) goal like building a basement for a house, we might along the way destroy some ant colonies. When human-level intelligence arrived and went about its business, it led to the extinction of quite a few species.
- keithwhor 11y agoGreat answers, one thing I have a particular problem with, however, is this: > Humans don't harbor a particular ill-will towards ants, but if we become interested in some (orthogonal) goal like building a basement for a house, we might along the way destroy some ant colonies. When human-level intelligence arrived and went about its business, it led to the extinction of quite a few species. I would argue that the goals of human beings are almost entirely orthogonal to the goals of ants whenever we come in contact. But this isn't a fair comparison. Human beings and their intelligence didn't emerge from the complex interactions and structures created by billions of ants. We evolved completely separately, shaped by hundreds of millions of years of different evolutionary pressures, including competition for resources (albeit at different scales). When we destroy ant hills it's because we're competing for space with a species we differentiated from hundreds of millions of years ago and now exists in a completely different ecological niche than we do. A more fair comparison would be likening AI (and all automata + the internet) to the cerebral cortex of the mammalian (human) brain and human beings to the brainstem. Human beings are ancient, robust and necessary for all basic functionality of the organism ("humanity" as a whole). We are responsible for homeostatic regulation as well as fundamental, reactive survival instincts and processes. We make "emotional", visceral assessments of situations and react before higher-order systems are able to even assess the complexity of the problem. Further growth and development of "humanity" as an organism selected for the growth of the cerebral cortex (automata) to assess, interpret and manage more complex internal and external interactions. This allows the humanity (the organism) to be more robust and self-sufficient. Viewed through this lens, a developmental pattern that would lead to an existential crisis for human beings seems unlikely at best and, for the most part, extremely improbable. We may not be able to individually predict how AI will develop, but we can make some educated guesses based on comparisons to emergent systems we've already seen in nature - and I think "ants vs. humans" is just poor pattern matching. :)
- RoboTeddy 11y ago> We may not be able to individually predict how AI will develop, but we can make some educated guesses based on comparisons to emergent systems we've already seen in nature - and I think "ants vs. humans" is just poor pattern matching. :) Oh, I think I see. I didn't mean to imply anything about how higher intelligence might develop, and I agree that the ants and humans analogy doesn't say much about how intelligence might come about. It was just supposed to illustrate what can happen (from the ant perspective) when comparatively super intelligent goal-seeking things are present in a shared environment (regardless of how they arrived). I have little idea if/how/when highly intelligent AI could arrive. Can we entirely rule out the possibility of AI researchers making advancements over time, and then eventually some research lab building one that's super intelligent compared to us? Why? [normally things as unlikely-sounding as this wouldn't merit discussion in my book, but in this case there might be high stakes!]