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Interesting opinion, but The stipulations to becoming an entity in China are not much different than in the U.S. and other countries. Replace their government

Interesting opinion, but The stipulations to becoming an entity in China are not much different than in the U.S. and other countries. Replace their government censorship with our social media outrage, and the parallels become clearer. I don't see how this makes LinkedIn morally bankrupt - or more accurately, the whole industry is morally bankrupt as the game is zero-sum.

hvs 11y ago
The difference is that one has guns.
toyg 11y ago
> Replace their government censorship with our social media outrage, and the parallels become clearer They are not even remotely the same thing. You can choose to ignore "social media outrage" and stay out of jail; try ignoring government demands in China and see how it works out. Cultural pressure to conform may be strong, but as long as it's informal, it's relatively easy to survive. When it becomes formal, you have to deal with a lot of people legally allowed to physically hurt you. There is censorship in the West (especially in the UK, where the police started jailing Twitter trolls and Facebook bullies, as well as censoring DNS calls), but it's nowhere near the scale of what you see in China... yet. > I don't see how this makes LinkedIn morally bankrupt - or more accurately, the whole industry is morally bankrupt Maybe LI is a bit morally-bankrupter than the average?
- FilterSweep 11y ago
  Ahhhh, fusking a post really makes it much easier to take the high ground doesn't it? You've admitted it yourself - not only has the UK has started jailing "Internet bullies" but Canada has recently begun taking this to an even further extreme by jailing a man for 6 months who simply disagreed with a feminist shaming campaign planned out on a [different] young man: http://www.infowars.com/man-faces-6-months-in-jail-for-disagreeing-with-feminists-on-twitter/ http://www.infowars.com/man-faces-6-months-in-jail-for-disag... I don't see the US not following this pattern in the near future as well. Try telling someone who has been the victim of a Twitter doxxing, or had their personal information shared online, that they can "just ignore it" when harassment from justice bots spills over into their real life. Simply deactivating your accounts on these platforms doesn't render immunity. If you don't see direction in which the discussions you share on the Internet is going, one should simply follow the Google Ad / Zuckerberg anti-pseudonym zeitgeist going on in a global scale today. Now, I'll agree with you that the difference in "scale" of repercussion is in magnitudes, but here's the kicker: If one were a dissadent in China, please tell me WHY you would choose LinkedIn as your platform to share your dissenting opinion on. Why would you seek out the service in the first place? These dissenting citizens are not waiting on bated breath for foreign companies to provide them a platform to voice their opinion. You assume way too much in that Chinese citizens NEED LinkedIn to share their dissenting opinions. Chinese-borne services such as Weibo follow the same censorship guidelines as well.

hvs 11y ago

The difference is that one has guns.

toyg 11y ago

> Replace their government censorship with our social media outrage, and the parallels become clearer They are not even remotely the same thing. You can choose to ignore "social media outrage" and stay out of jail; try ignoring government demands in China and see how it works out. Cultural pressure to conform may be strong, but as long as it's informal, it's relatively easy to survive. When it becomes formal, you have to deal with a lot of people legally allowed to physically hurt you. There is censorship in the West (especially in the UK, where the police started jailing Twitter trolls and Facebook bullies, as well as censoring DNS calls), but it's nowhere near the scale of what you see in China... yet. > I don't see how this makes LinkedIn morally bankrupt - or more accurately, the whole industry is morally bankrupt Maybe LI is a bit morally-bankrupter than the average?

FilterSweep 11y ago
Ahhhh, fusking a post really makes it much easier to take the high ground doesn't it? You've admitted it yourself - not only has the UK has started jailing "Internet bullies" but Canada has recently begun taking this to an even further extreme by jailing a man for 6 months who simply disagreed with a feminist shaming campaign planned out on a [different] young man: http://www.infowars.com/man-faces-6-months-in-jail-for-disagreeing-with-feminists-on-twitter/ http://www.infowars.com/man-faces-6-months-in-jail-for-disag... I don't see the US not following this pattern in the near future as well. Try telling someone who has been the victim of a Twitter doxxing, or had their personal information shared online, that they can "just ignore it" when harassment from justice bots spills over into their real life. Simply deactivating your accounts on these platforms doesn't render immunity. If you don't see direction in which the discussions you share on the Internet is going, one should simply follow the Google Ad / Zuckerberg anti-pseudonym zeitgeist going on in a global scale today. Now, I'll agree with you that the difference in "scale" of repercussion is in magnitudes, but here's the kicker: If one were a dissadent in China, please tell me WHY you would choose LinkedIn as your platform to share your dissenting opinion on. Why would you seek out the service in the first place? These dissenting citizens are not waiting on bated breath for foreign companies to provide them a platform to voice their opinion. You assume way too much in that Chinese citizens NEED LinkedIn to share their dissenting opinions. Chinese-borne services such as Weibo follow the same censorship guidelines as well.