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Should a cop get a ticket for chasing a speeder?

by atrus 11y ago

psykovsky 11y ago
Yes. If the speeder is endangering people by driving fast so is the cop.
- swombat 11y ago
  I see, so in that case I guess prison guards should be sent to jail for kidnapping and holding people against their will. I mean, if you're going to take your reasoning to its natural conclusion... Hint: violence is not illegal per aw, it's only illegal when done by someone other than the state, in a way that violates the laws of the land. To exist, a state must maintain a monopoly on violence - and in order to maintain that monopoly it must from time to time use or at least threaten violence. At least, that's how it works today. Perhaps in the future that will change...
  - logfromblammo 11y ago
    It is in the interests of society that its police be held to the same rule of law as everyone else, or to an even higher standard. But in this case, it is equally legal for a prison guard to hold a duly convicted criminal against his will as a private citizen, because the criminal's right to roam free was suspended by judicial order in the sentencing phase of his trial. The logical standard for permitting police to engage a fleeing suspect with a high-speed chase is by determining that the suspect would present a greater threat to the public if allowed to escape than the damage that could occur during the pursuit. Since innocents have been killed in the past by both fleeing suspects and police pursuit vehicles, one might suspect that police would only start a hot pursuit for known-violent murder suspects, and for everyone else, radio in a description of the vehicle and its passengers so that other cops further ahead of it can block traffic or throw down spike strips. Unfortunately, this is often trumped by the de facto "adrenaline standard". The fact of the matter is, cops who speed can be ticketed for it. But then the cop who issued that ticket to another cop is overwhelmingly harassed by her peers as a "traitor" to the cop culture. (search: florida "donna watts" "fausto lopez" 2011) The net result is that police are held to a lower standard of law than everyone else, and that creates a culture of corruption.
  - psykovsky 11y ago
    >> I see, so in that case I guess prison guards should be sent to jail for kidnapping and holding people against their will. I mean, if you're going to take your reasoning to its natural conclusion... Exactly! How did you guess I'm against forced imprisonment and consider it kidnapping?
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phkahler 11y ago
>> Should a cop get a ticket for chasing a speeder? A cop does not get to go speeding on the highway in order to sneak up on speeders from behind. (s)he does get to break the law a bit (speeding) once a speeder has been identified in order to catch them. Unfortunately the justification for this seems to be that it's the most practical way to catch them. I don't mind the practice, but I'd prefer a better justification. Got one?
Lawtonfogle 11y ago
Depends to what extent. A cop who is being reckless to the extent of putting others at harm should be charged with such a crime. It is like when a cop goes to shoot a suspect without any concern as to who is behind the suspect. Cops are allowed to break laws, but only when they do not cause direct and significant harm to someone. For example, taking drugs is legal for an undercover cop. Forcefully drugging some bystander is not.

Should a cop get a ticket for chasing a speeder?

by atrus 11y ago

Should a cop get a ticket for chasing a speeder?

psykovsky 11y ago

Yes. If the speeder is endangering people by driving fast so is the cop.

swombat 11y ago
I see, so in that case I guess prison guards should be sent to jail for kidnapping and holding people against their will. I mean, if you're going to take your reasoning to its natural conclusion... Hint: violence is not illegal per aw, it's only illegal when done by someone other than the state, in a way that violates the laws of the land. To exist, a state must maintain a monopoly on violence - and in order to maintain that monopoly it must from time to time use or at least threaten violence. At least, that's how it works today. Perhaps in the future that will change...
- logfromblammo 11y ago
  It is in the interests of society that its police be held to the same rule of law as everyone else, or to an even higher standard. But in this case, it is equally legal for a prison guard to hold a duly convicted criminal against his will as a private citizen, because the criminal's right to roam free was suspended by judicial order in the sentencing phase of his trial. The logical standard for permitting police to engage a fleeing suspect with a high-speed chase is by determining that the suspect would present a greater threat to the public if allowed to escape than the damage that could occur during the pursuit. Since innocents have been killed in the past by both fleeing suspects and police pursuit vehicles, one might suspect that police would only start a hot pursuit for known-violent murder suspects, and for everyone else, radio in a description of the vehicle and its passengers so that other cops further ahead of it can block traffic or throw down spike strips. Unfortunately, this is often trumped by the de facto "adrenaline standard". The fact of the matter is, cops who speed can be ticketed for it. But then the cop who issued that ticket to another cop is overwhelmingly harassed by her peers as a "traitor" to the cop culture. (search: florida "donna watts" "fausto lopez" 2011) The net result is that police are held to a lower standard of law than everyone else, and that creates a culture of corruption.
- psykovsky 11y ago
  >> I see, so in that case I guess prison guards should be sent to jail for kidnapping and holding people against their will. I mean, if you're going to take your reasoning to its natural conclusion... Exactly! How did you guess I'm against forced imprisonment and consider it kidnapping?
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phkahler 11y ago

>> Should a cop get a ticket for chasing a speeder? A cop does not get to go speeding on the highway in order to sneak up on speeders from behind. (s)he does get to break the law a bit (speeding) once a speeder has been identified in order to catch them. Unfortunately the justification for this seems to be that it's the most practical way to catch them. I don't mind the practice, but I'd prefer a better justification. Got one?

Lawtonfogle 11y ago

Depends to what extent. A cop who is being reckless to the extent of putting others at harm should be charged with such a crime. It is like when a cop goes to shoot a suspect without any concern as to who is behind the suspect. Cops are allowed to break laws, but only when they do not cause direct and significant harm to someone. For example, taking drugs is legal for an undercover cop. Forcefully drugging some bystander is not.