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Well it is not politically correct to mention personal responsibility in any fashion, which is actually the heart of the problem.

keyboardwarrior 11y ago
Personality grows out of the environment you are in. Teaching personal responsibility to someone who is on the street associating with gangs can be a lost cause. I think prison can serve to change someones environment to such levels that they are willing to change themselves. Maybe not 30 years of prison though.
- happyscrappy 11y ago
  Parents have a lot to do with outcomes but that cannot be legislated.
angersock 11y ago
Like the personal responsibility not to shoot a guy with his hands out? Or the personal responsibility not to continually push for the hardest sentences you can because it'll help your career? Or the personal responsibility to recognize that what consenting adults put into their own bodies in privacy isn't something you should have a say in? One of those?
- happyscrappy 11y ago
  I suppose if you made heroin and coke legal you would end quite a few occupations, but I doubt they would join the daily grind.
- justwannasing 11y ago
  Your first line references a bald-faced lie so your stance is in jeopardy.
  - angersock 11y ago
    http://news.yahoo.com/video-released-shows-police-killing-unarmed-man-la-074451408.html http://news.yahoo.com/video-released-shows-police-killing-un... I dunno...sure seems true to me.
mikeash 11y ago
It's not about political correctness. It's just useless to bring up personal responsibility when discussing policy. Personal responsibility comes down to, "don't do that. But some people will not follow that command. What do you do with them? Repeating "don't do that" accomplishes nothing.
- tsotha 11y ago
  What do you do with them? Isn't that the entire purpose of the justice system? I don't think it's unreasonable for society to expect people not to commit crimes and punish them when they do.
  - mikeash 11y ago
    Yes, of course that's the entire purpose of the justice system. And we're talking about the justice system, and different ways it might be adjusted to achieve better outcomes. And then along come the people I replied to talking about "personal responsibility" which is completely useless to bring up in context.
s73v3r 11y ago
Nobody cares about your "personal responsibility" concern trolling. At the end of the day, you either simply want to punish, or you're actually interested in figuring out the problem.

keyboardwarrior 11y ago

Personality grows out of the environment you are in. Teaching personal responsibility to someone who is on the street associating with gangs can be a lost cause. I think prison can serve to change someones environment to such levels that they are willing to change themselves. Maybe not 30 years of prison though.

happyscrappy 11y ago
Parents have a lot to do with outcomes but that cannot be legislated.

angersock 11y ago

Like the personal responsibility not to shoot a guy with his hands out? Or the personal responsibility not to continually push for the hardest sentences you can because it'll help your career? Or the personal responsibility to recognize that what consenting adults put into their own bodies in privacy isn't something you should have a say in? One of those?

happyscrappy 11y ago
I suppose if you made heroin and coke legal you would end quite a few occupations, but I doubt they would join the daily grind.
justwannasing 11y ago
Your first line references a bald-faced lie so your stance is in jeopardy.
- angersock 11y ago
  http://news.yahoo.com/video-released-shows-police-killing-unarmed-man-la-074451408.html http://news.yahoo.com/video-released-shows-police-killing-un... I dunno...sure seems true to me.

mikeash 11y ago

It's not about political correctness. It's just useless to bring up personal responsibility when discussing policy. Personal responsibility comes down to, "don't do that. But some people will not follow that command. What do you do with them? Repeating "don't do that" accomplishes nothing.

tsotha 11y ago
What do you do with them? Isn't that the entire purpose of the justice system? I don't think it's unreasonable for society to expect people not to commit crimes and punish them when they do.
- mikeash 11y ago
  Yes, of course that's the entire purpose of the justice system. And we're talking about the justice system, and different ways it might be adjusted to achieve better outcomes. And then along come the people I replied to talking about "personal responsibility" which is completely useless to bring up in context.

s73v3r 11y ago

Nobody cares about your "personal responsibility" concern trolling. At the end of the day, you either simply want to punish, or you're actually interested in figuring out the problem.