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I think the rules apply to casual association to prevent former parolees from going back to the same social circles. I'm pretty sure the rules don't apply to o

I think the rules apply to casual association to prevent former parolees from going back to the same social circles. I'm pretty sure the rules don't apply to official, especially court-ordered, encounters. Many parolees are required to go to AA or anger management classes, and those are full of other people in the same predicament. The same applies to halfway housing. I imagine that since this ride was under the control of an official non-profit, the contact was approved. I'm not a fan of the rules limiting free association and I think it should be considered a violation of civil liberties. I don't know if it's ever been challenged in the courts.

maxerickson 11y ago
Re some condition of parole being a violation of civil liberties, how would it be different than prison being a violation of civil liberties? I'm not snarking, I'm asking what the difference would be.
- mainguy 11y ago
  IANAL, but if parole is just a way to more cheaply supervise someone still serving their time it seems like the same thing... Once parole is over though...well then it would be because you've finished your sentence.
  - clamprecht 11y ago
    It isn't as bad after parole, but it's still there. For example, I have lost my 2nd amendment rights forever, even though I completed the sentence ~13 years ago.
    - cmdrfred 11y ago
      I never noticed the asterisk on the constitution that said "*unless we deem that you are a criminal".
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      - toomuchtodo 11y ago
        I'm surprised the NRA has never raised this issue.
x0x0 11y ago
My understanding is that, because the convict could choose to finish his or her sentence instead, parole is given extremely wide latitude in terms of the conditions that can be set. That does set up other, stupid, situations where convicts who haven't been paroled and hence served their full sentences are given zero supervision after release because you can't force them. If you wish to be appalled, read this [1] discussing parole boards. For the same rationale as above, they are given incredibly wide latitude with very little review, and often no disclosure, behind their decisions. [1] https://www.themarshallproject.org/2015/07/10/life-without-parole https://www.themarshallproject.org/2015/07/10/life-without-p...
- tsotha 11y ago
  This. Originally, at least, parole was viewed as a reduction in your sentence for keeping your nose clean while you were in prison. They let you out of jail, but technically your sentence isn't up yet. So legally they can pretty much do anything they could do while you were in.

maxerickson 11y ago

Re some condition of parole being a violation of civil liberties, how would it be different than prison being a violation of civil liberties? I'm not snarking, I'm asking what the difference would be.

mainguy 11y ago
IANAL, but if parole is just a way to more cheaply supervise someone still serving their time it seems like the same thing... Once parole is over though...well then it would be because you've finished your sentence.
- clamprecht 11y ago
  It isn't as bad after parole, but it's still there. For example, I have lost my 2nd amendment rights forever, even though I completed the sentence ~13 years ago.
  - cmdrfred 11y ago
    I never noticed the asterisk on the constitution that said "*unless we deem that you are a criminal".
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    - toomuchtodo 11y ago
      I'm surprised the NRA has never raised this issue.

x0x0 11y ago

My understanding is that, because the convict could choose to finish his or her sentence instead, parole is given extremely wide latitude in terms of the conditions that can be set. That does set up other, stupid, situations where convicts who haven't been paroled and hence served their full sentences are given zero supervision after release because you can't force them. If you wish to be appalled, read this [1] discussing parole boards. For the same rationale as above, they are given incredibly wide latitude with very little review, and often no disclosure, behind their decisions. [1] https://www.themarshallproject.org/2015/07/10/life-without-parole https://www.themarshallproject.org/2015/07/10/life-without-p...

tsotha 11y ago
This. Originally, at least, parole was viewed as a reduction in your sentence for keeping your nose clean while you were in prison. They let you out of jail, but technically your sentence isn't up yet. So legally they can pretty much do anything they could do while you were in.