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When looking at Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Swarovski https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Swarovski) I got some (possibly) conflicting info

by stared 11y ago

When looking at Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Swarovski https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Swarovski) I got some (possibly) conflicting information - that he was Jewish and an avowed Nazi party member. Especially given that some of the last edits looks unencyclopedic - could anyone more knowlegeble look at it and fix it? (I have tried to look at German Wikipedia and there was reference to Nazi party but not to Jewish roots, so the former looks more plausible.)

smsm42 11y ago
There were people of Jewish descent that served in Wehrmacht, including in pretty high positions[1]. The service also protected from some of the anti-Jewish abuse initially, and some people of Jewish descent both felt much more connection to German service (even after Nazis took over it) than their Jewish roots, and were too useful, so Goering was noted to say "I am deciding who is Jewish and who is not". Also there's the case of Werner Goldberg[2], a son of Jewish father and non-Jewish mother, who was lauded by Nazi press as the "Ideal German Soldier". Ironically, Goldberg's looks proved to be so irresistible that recently he was featured on the monument to the "Defenders of the Motherland" in Russia. [3] So, in principle, there's nothing impossible for a person to be both of Jewish descent and a Nazi sympathizer. Stranger things have happened. [1] http://www.jewishmag.com/158mag/hitler_jewish_soldiers/hitler_jewish_soldiers.htm http://www.jewishmag.com/158mag/hitler_jewish_soldiers/hitle... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_Goldberg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_Goldberg [3] http://znak.com/tumen/news/2015-06-26/1041938.html http://znak.com/tumen/news/2015-06-26/1041938.html
- stared 11y ago
  I am not saying its not impossible, but that unlikely things need strong backing (as of now, Wikipedia links to a single newspaper article on this matter).
bmmayer1 11y ago
This looks fairly inaccurate. Right now on this page: "The Swarovskis ran their crystal business, generation after generation, doing moderately well until WWII. How they have weathered WWII when almost all the other Austrian Jews were handed over, well, no information on that either. Some reckon that it’s most likely because optical lenses were important for the war effort, and Swarovski made the best."
stefs 11y ago
the german version doesn't tell much more. practically: "the swarovski family were avowed national socialists. swarovski joined the NSDAP before the annex when the party was still illegal." the references though! there is one longer article titled: "in line with the NSDAP: the swarovski business in the time of national socialism". there's no mention of him being of jewish origin neither in the german version of the wikipedia page nor in the referenced article.
- stared 11y ago
  So I reverted this edit.

by stared 11y ago

smsm42 11y ago

There were people of Jewish descent that served in Wehrmacht, including in pretty high positions[1]. The service also protected from some of the anti-Jewish abuse initially, and some people of Jewish descent both felt much more connection to German service (even after Nazis took over it) than their Jewish roots, and were too useful, so Goering was noted to say "I am deciding who is Jewish and who is not". Also there's the case of Werner Goldberg[2], a son of Jewish father and non-Jewish mother, who was lauded by Nazi press as the "Ideal German Soldier". Ironically, Goldberg's looks proved to be so irresistible that recently he was featured on the monument to the "Defenders of the Motherland" in Russia. [3] So, in principle, there's nothing impossible for a person to be both of Jewish descent and a Nazi sympathizer. Stranger things have happened. [1] http://www.jewishmag.com/158mag/hitler_jewish_soldiers/hitler_jewish_soldiers.htm http://www.jewishmag.com/158mag/hitler_jewish_soldiers/hitle... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_Goldberg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_Goldberg [3] http://znak.com/tumen/news/2015-06-26/1041938.html http://znak.com/tumen/news/2015-06-26/1041938.html

stared 11y ago
I am not saying its not impossible, but that unlikely things need strong backing (as of now, Wikipedia links to a single newspaper article on this matter).

bmmayer1 11y ago

This looks fairly inaccurate. Right now on this page: "The Swarovskis ran their crystal business, generation after generation, doing moderately well until WWII. How they have weathered WWII when almost all the other Austrian Jews were handed over, well, no information on that either. Some reckon that it’s most likely because optical lenses were important for the war effort, and Swarovski made the best."

stefs 11y ago

the german version doesn't tell much more. practically: "the swarovski family were avowed national socialists. swarovski joined the NSDAP before the annex when the party was still illegal." the references though! there is one longer article titled: "in line with the NSDAP: the swarovski business in the time of national socialism". there's no mention of him being of jewish origin neither in the german version of the wikipedia page nor in the referenced article.

stared 11y ago
So I reverted this edit.