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> If a husband and wife share and account and share an address do you send them separate statements, or combine them? Don't allow people to share accounts? Tha

> If a husband and wife share and account and share an address do you send them separate statements, or combine them? Don't allow people to share accounts? That seems to solve a lot of problems. What problems does it create?

hvs 11y ago
When you're married, a shared account is pretty important.
- stephengillie 11y ago
  Having never been married, I can only guess. Is it for quickly transferring funds between the married individuals?
  - coldpie 11y ago
    No, it's for having a shared pool of money. Both regularly deposit some amount of money into it, and it goes for shared expenses like food, house maintenance, gas...
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    - bargl 11y ago
      I'm going to add that it's also really nice for budgeting. If you want 2 people to get on the same budget you have to show the benefits of the budget. Also I don't pay 1/2 my mortgage and my wife pays the other 1/2 we pay it all together (from the one account). We actually turned down an account with Plastic because no shared accounts. We each have an individual credit card but that's more for tracking if we are meeting our own budgeting goals. But those are still linked to the other person. Also, joint accounts make a situation where something happens to your spouse MUCH easier to handle. If something were to happen to me I'd want my wife to still be able to pay for Daycare, Mortgage, etc for as long as our savings would allow. This is part of why divorce is hard on so many levels. The paperwork alone is crazy.
      - stephengillie 11y ago
        So how do business partnerships share funds? I doubt both partners commingle their personal finances.
        timv 11y ago
        Once a business is incorporated, it is its own legal entity and needs to have its own pool of funds that is legally separate from the owners' funds. There would be one or more accounts held in the name of Super Secret Labs LLC and in most cases that business account would have rules about who was allowed to approve the transfer of funds out of the account, and to what limit. In many cases it may require approval from 2 account holders. Prior to incorporation, the call on funds would typically be much lower, so it's probably going to be a bit ad-hoc, and might just use an account held by one of the founders with everyone throwing their share when needed. If you can't trust your cofounder with $2k, then don't start a business with them.
mcherm 11y ago
The problem it creates is that you lose customers. People want the ability to have joint accounts. A joint account generally has a credit limit set by the income of the higher-paid (or wealthier) of the two but allows both people to have a card and make payments. Imagine a simple scenario: one spouse works, the other does not; the one who doesn't work often does the shopping.
- stephengillie 11y ago
  How is this different from a business account with 2 cofounders?
timv 11y ago
Others have mentioned the importance of joint savings accounts for married couples, and for businesses. They're also very important for mortgages. If the mortgaged asset is jointly owned (and that's typically the case in a marriage) then you, in practice, need all owners to be a party to the loan. The house is security on the loan - if I only own half the house then I can only borrow against my half. And my wife can borrow against her half. But if I default on my loan, then how does my bank foreclose on me and sell their asset when there is another owner who may not wish to sell. There are other solutions, but the easiest, and the one that banks will typically insist on is a joint asset requires a joint loan
- adebtlawyer 11y ago
  People rarely think of this in advance, but joint debts of any kind usually become a problem in divorce. One former spouse will stop paying and ruin the other spouse's credit, to say nothing of causing foreclosures. It doesn't matter what the family court orders (this spouse will pay that debt, etc), because that won't change the underlying obligation as far as the creditor is concerned. Joint credit cards, which aren't attached to any asset, don't have much benefit compared to this downside. What people are typically told is happening is that the credit card still 'belongs' to one spouse, but the other will be also authorized to 'use' it. While this is possible, the paperwork presented to sign often makes the other spouse jointly liable for the debt instead. I'm convinced even the bank representatives don't know they are setting up things this way and are just following a script. You have to read the paperwork to see what it does.
  - stephengillie 11y ago
    This is exactly where I was leading with my questions. Joint accounts might simplify the sharing of cash between household partners, and thus simplify household operations, but it complicates everything else. I suppose a temporary convenience now is worth a very complicated situation in the future. Thus is also why we traditionally forego prenuptial agreements.

hvs 11y ago

When you're married, a shared account is pretty important.

stephengillie 11y ago
Having never been married, I can only guess. Is it for quickly transferring funds between the married individuals?
- coldpie 11y ago
  No, it's for having a shared pool of money. Both regularly deposit some amount of money into it, and it goes for shared expenses like food, house maintenance, gas...
  - deleted 11y ago
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  - bargl 11y ago
    I'm going to add that it's also really nice for budgeting. If you want 2 people to get on the same budget you have to show the benefits of the budget. Also I don't pay 1/2 my mortgage and my wife pays the other 1/2 we pay it all together (from the one account). We actually turned down an account with Plastic because no shared accounts. We each have an individual credit card but that's more for tracking if we are meeting our own budgeting goals. But those are still linked to the other person. Also, joint accounts make a situation where something happens to your spouse MUCH easier to handle. If something were to happen to me I'd want my wife to still be able to pay for Daycare, Mortgage, etc for as long as our savings would allow. This is part of why divorce is hard on so many levels. The paperwork alone is crazy.
    - stephengillie 11y ago
      So how do business partnerships share funds? I doubt both partners commingle their personal finances.
      - timv 11y ago
        Once a business is incorporated, it is its own legal entity and needs to have its own pool of funds that is legally separate from the owners' funds. There would be one or more accounts held in the name of Super Secret Labs LLC and in most cases that business account would have rules about who was allowed to approve the transfer of funds out of the account, and to what limit. In many cases it may require approval from 2 account holders. Prior to incorporation, the call on funds would typically be much lower, so it's probably going to be a bit ad-hoc, and might just use an account held by one of the founders with everyone throwing their share when needed. If you can't trust your cofounder with $2k, then don't start a business with them.

mcherm 11y ago

The problem it creates is that you lose customers. People want the ability to have joint accounts. A joint account generally has a credit limit set by the income of the higher-paid (or wealthier) of the two but allows both people to have a card and make payments. Imagine a simple scenario: one spouse works, the other does not; the one who doesn't work often does the shopping.

stephengillie 11y ago
How is this different from a business account with 2 cofounders?

timv 11y ago

Others have mentioned the importance of joint savings accounts for married couples, and for businesses. They're also very important for mortgages. If the mortgaged asset is jointly owned (and that's typically the case in a marriage) then you, in practice, need all owners to be a party to the loan. The house is security on the loan - if I only own half the house then I can only borrow against my half. And my wife can borrow against her half. But if I default on my loan, then how does my bank foreclose on me and sell their asset when there is another owner who may not wish to sell. There are other solutions, but the easiest, and the one that banks will typically insist on is a joint asset requires a joint loan

adebtlawyer 11y ago
People rarely think of this in advance, but joint debts of any kind usually become a problem in divorce. One former spouse will stop paying and ruin the other spouse's credit, to say nothing of causing foreclosures. It doesn't matter what the family court orders (this spouse will pay that debt, etc), because that won't change the underlying obligation as far as the creditor is concerned. Joint credit cards, which aren't attached to any asset, don't have much benefit compared to this downside. What people are typically told is happening is that the credit card still 'belongs' to one spouse, but the other will be also authorized to 'use' it. While this is possible, the paperwork presented to sign often makes the other spouse jointly liable for the debt instead. I'm convinced even the bank representatives don't know they are setting up things this way and are just following a script. You have to read the paperwork to see what it does.
- stephengillie 11y ago
  This is exactly where I was leading with my questions. Joint accounts might simplify the sharing of cash between household partners, and thus simplify household operations, but it complicates everything else. I suppose a temporary convenience now is worth a very complicated situation in the future. Thus is also why we traditionally forego prenuptial agreements.