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You can plug in your own rates at the bottom :-) just click "Show Details" Man hours will be changed to something much more gender non-specific once traffic ca

by dynjo 11y ago

You can plug in your own rates at the bottom :-) just click "Show Details" Man hours will be changed to something much more gender non-specific once traffic calms a bit, good spot. We have many female developers and none pointed it out! :-)

amichal 11y ago
> You can plug in your own rates at the bottom :-) just click "Show Details" Didn't see that and it helps. Still i think the parent comment is important. If what you selling is just UI design and coding hours then you are not selling a completed app. Working with the client to go from a napkin sketch or idea to a shipped product involves a lot more work. Perhaps you could update the footnote at the bottom of the page about hosting costs etc to also mention the costs of requirements gathering and shipping. Nearly all of my past clients assume these costs are marginal at most if they think of them at all. Some of the more naive ones have assumed that ongoing support and training was somehow magicly included for free.
- dynjo 11y ago
  Yep, see your point, though the more detail you add the less accessible the tool is to at least give rough ideas of cost. Some people have crazy ideas of how much it costs to build apps. We had a customer this week who wanted a Kickstarter clone in 3 weeks! :-)
ylg 11y ago
Plugging in rates would seem to be more applicable to me (a professional in the field) than to the target audience (people who don't know about app development.) Maybe for the audience I think you're targeting: a few big buttons with labels such as "Thailand", "USA", "Western Europe", "Russia", "San Franspesive" and so on?
- s73v3r 11y ago
  I can totally see a potential client pointing to this site when they hear my quote, except they've put the hourly rate at like $10.
williamcotton 11y ago
"Man hours" is a great sounding phrase. It sounds way better than "person hours". "Person hours" just doesn't flow as well. People aren't going to write song lyrics with the phrase "person hours" in them. How about an acronym, like "thips", totals hours in persons. Throw a poet a bone.
- robmcm 11y ago
  How about work hours, programming hours, developer hours, or perhaps even just simply hours? Could in theory be done by a really talented member of anothery species.
  - yareally 11y ago
    > Could in theory be done by a really talented member of anothery species Not sure we'll reach the point of highly intelligent, tool making chimps and New Caledonian crows writing their own applications. "Murderable" (of crows) hours would lead to some humorous situations though.
    - robmcm 11y ago
      Obviously not programming, but perhaps the visual design [1] ;) [1] http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/animals/photos/12-artsy-animals-that-paint/portrait-of-an-artist http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/animals/photos/12-artsy-ani...
  - s73v3r 11y ago
    "Hours" implies that it's all linear; that one task can't go until the previous is done. "Man Hours" indicates that it's the amount of time needed to complete the task, but isn't solely dependent on linear ordering
- kriro 11y ago
  I consider "man hour" a terminus technicus and wouldn't change it personally. It's only an estimation tool and fine due to that but the term is problematic due to other reasons (mystical man month). If you feel like you offend someone I think "billable hours" is what fits best (might sound too much like a lawyer though). Person hour et al. sound pretty strange.
gmu3 11y ago
If it's changed, won't you have to convert all the numbers too?

by dynjo 11y ago

amichal 11y ago

> You can plug in your own rates at the bottom :-) just click "Show Details" Didn't see that and it helps. Still i think the parent comment is important. If what you selling is just UI design and coding hours then you are not selling a completed app. Working with the client to go from a napkin sketch or idea to a shipped product involves a lot more work. Perhaps you could update the footnote at the bottom of the page about hosting costs etc to also mention the costs of requirements gathering and shipping. Nearly all of my past clients assume these costs are marginal at most if they think of them at all. Some of the more naive ones have assumed that ongoing support and training was somehow magicly included for free.

dynjo 11y ago
Yep, see your point, though the more detail you add the less accessible the tool is to at least give rough ideas of cost. Some people have crazy ideas of how much it costs to build apps. We had a customer this week who wanted a Kickstarter clone in 3 weeks! :-)

ylg 11y ago

Plugging in rates would seem to be more applicable to me (a professional in the field) than to the target audience (people who don't know about app development.) Maybe for the audience I think you're targeting: a few big buttons with labels such as "Thailand", "USA", "Western Europe", "Russia", "San Franspesive" and so on?

s73v3r 11y ago
I can totally see a potential client pointing to this site when they hear my quote, except they've put the hourly rate at like $10.

williamcotton 11y ago

"Man hours" is a great sounding phrase. It sounds way better than "person hours". "Person hours" just doesn't flow as well. People aren't going to write song lyrics with the phrase "person hours" in them. How about an acronym, like "thips", totals hours in persons. Throw a poet a bone.

robmcm 11y ago
How about work hours, programming hours, developer hours, or perhaps even just simply hours? Could in theory be done by a really talented member of anothery species.
- yareally 11y ago
  > Could in theory be done by a really talented member of anothery species Not sure we'll reach the point of highly intelligent, tool making chimps and New Caledonian crows writing their own applications. "Murderable" (of crows) hours would lead to some humorous situations though.
  - robmcm 11y ago
    Obviously not programming, but perhaps the visual design [1] ;) [1] http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/animals/photos/12-artsy-animals-that-paint/portrait-of-an-artist http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/animals/photos/12-artsy-ani...
- s73v3r 11y ago
  "Hours" implies that it's all linear; that one task can't go until the previous is done. "Man Hours" indicates that it's the amount of time needed to complete the task, but isn't solely dependent on linear ordering
kriro 11y ago
I consider "man hour" a terminus technicus and wouldn't change it personally. It's only an estimation tool and fine due to that but the term is problematic due to other reasons (mystical man month). If you feel like you offend someone I think "billable hours" is what fits best (might sound too much like a lawyer though). Person hour et al. sound pretty strange.

gmu3 11y ago

If it's changed, won't you have to convert all the numbers too?