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Dear author, please don't ever even think of coming to Poland and admiring its extensive network of bicycle routes with world-class solutions like this one: htt

by nathell 11y ago

Dear author, please don't ever even think of coming to Poland and admiring its extensive network of bicycle routes with world-class solutions like this one: http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/14/25/ba/z12199188P,Sciezka-rowerowa-na-ul--Bukowskiej.jpg http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/14/25/ba/z12199188P,Sciezka-rowerowa-... In comparison, London is awesome. I miss the CS3.

austinjp 11y ago
Really? I hate the CS3, I find it terribly designed. That's not to say other places are worse. The thing I dislike is the feeling you get: "There you go, we've built you a superhighway, no more complaining, and make sure you get out of the way of all the cars because they're more important than you are." Problems with the CS3 and other similar routes include: # Crossing T-junctions across right-turning traffic. # Very narrow in parts. # Swap from one side of the road to the other, taking you at a right-angle across moving traffic. I get the distinct feeling that motorists and pedestrians around the CS3 feel they need 360 degree vision because they never know which direction the cyclists are coming from.
- zimpenfish 11y ago
  Narrow Street to Horseferry Road is my favourite part - you have to veer across a busy road into oncoming traffic. https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5101249,-0.0379109,19z/data=!3m1!1e3 https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5101249,-0.0379109,19z/dat...
  - throwaway049 11y ago
    I just call that 'executing a right-turn'. I do take issue with the position of the turn area. Because the turn leads to a contraflow cycle lane on a one-way road with the cycle lane on the 'wrong' side, the position to take up when waiting to turn right is sooner than for a normal junction which confounds the expectations of every other road user around you, unless they know the area and/or are paying full attention.
    - zimpenfish 11y ago
      "a right-turn" doesn't generally take you into oncoming traffic though.
- austinjp 11y ago
  The "right-angle across moving traffic" that I mention. Albeit a quiet day when Google took the photo. https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.511527,-0.044597,3a,75y,255.51h,75.28t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sl4oO_uZgv6jbq6oHHxbkpA!2e0!3e5!7i13312!8i6656 https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.511527,-0.044597,3a,75y,25...
zimpenfish 11y ago
Pah. That's nothing. What about a central bollard? http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pete.meg/wcc/facility-of-the-month/crayave.jpg http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pete.meg/wcc/facility-of-the-mo... (via the always excellent http://www.warringtoncyclecampaign.co.uk/facility-of-the-month/ http://www.warringtoncyclecampaign.co.uk/facility-of-the-mon...)

by nathell 11y ago

austinjp 11y ago

Really? I hate the CS3, I find it terribly designed. That's not to say other places are worse. The thing I dislike is the feeling you get: "There you go, we've built you a superhighway, no more complaining, and make sure you get out of the way of all the cars because they're more important than you are." Problems with the CS3 and other similar routes include: # Crossing T-junctions across right-turning traffic. # Very narrow in parts. # Swap from one side of the road to the other, taking you at a right-angle across moving traffic. I get the distinct feeling that motorists and pedestrians around the CS3 feel they need 360 degree vision because they never know which direction the cyclists are coming from.

zimpenfish 11y ago
Narrow Street to Horseferry Road is my favourite part - you have to veer across a busy road into oncoming traffic. https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5101249,-0.0379109,19z/data=!3m1!1e3 https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5101249,-0.0379109,19z/dat...
- throwaway049 11y ago
  I just call that 'executing a right-turn'. I do take issue with the position of the turn area. Because the turn leads to a contraflow cycle lane on a one-way road with the cycle lane on the 'wrong' side, the position to take up when waiting to turn right is sooner than for a normal junction which confounds the expectations of every other road user around you, unless they know the area and/or are paying full attention.
  - zimpenfish 11y ago
    "a right-turn" doesn't generally take you into oncoming traffic though.
austinjp 11y ago
The "right-angle across moving traffic" that I mention. Albeit a quiet day when Google took the photo. https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.511527,-0.044597,3a,75y,255.51h,75.28t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sl4oO_uZgv6jbq6oHHxbkpA!2e0!3e5!7i13312!8i6656 https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.511527,-0.044597,3a,75y,25...

zimpenfish 11y ago

Pah. That's nothing. What about a central bollard? http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pete.meg/wcc/facility-of-the-month/crayave.jpg http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pete.meg/wcc/facility-of-the-mo... (via the always excellent http://www.warringtoncyclecampaign.co.uk/facility-of-the-month/ http://www.warringtoncyclecampaign.co.uk/facility-of-the-mon...)