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Let's admit it, Apple makes good hardware, but that's about it.

by piyush_soni 11y ago

coldtea 11y ago
Don't know about that. OS X is a mighty fine OS, iOS is the best mobile OS, Logic gets top points as a DAW, etc etc.
- imron 11y ago
  OS X was mighty fine. It's been getting progressively worse in my opinion.
  - azinman2 11y ago
    Apple is one of the top product makers period. Products are more than just hardware or even software. If you doubt me, look at their market capitalization. Individual products will always have their pros/cons, and the company will have strengths (design) and weaknessess (social, some cloud services). But to say they're bad at software just isn't true.
  - coldtea 11y ago
    I don't see anything really worse about it. That's just what people like to say without any quantifiable metrics (usually just with some random data points about this or that bug, but not quantifiably compared to previous releases). Millions of people use it everyday for professional work, including in film and music studios, where stability and timely performance are much more paramount than for some corporate cubicle running Excel. I've not seen anything actually actively deteriorate. The Finder is much better, Spotlight is much more robust than before, apps run fine, etc. There have been bad moves, like the change to their custom DNS responder thing which was not ready for production. Or some glitches here and there. But I've seen such things all the way down to 10.1 were I started. There will always be bugs when you add new features (and even when you don't add anything, as technologies around your OS also change). Plus the upcoming release is a "Snow Leopard" like bugfix affair too, which will help things.
    - rsync 11y ago
      "Plus the upcoming release is a "Snow Leopard" like bugfix affair too, which will help things." It is ? You are referring to Yosemite ? Genuinely curious...
      - sbuk 11y ago
        El Capitain is the next release.
      - coldtea 11y ago
        No, to El Capitan. It's a bugfix release mostly, with few new features and changes introduced.
    - Oletros 11y ago
      > Millions of people use it everyday for professional work, including in film and music studios, where stability and timely performance are much more paramount than for some corporate cubicle running Excel. This can be said about Windows
      - coldtea 11y ago
        So? Windows is pretty solid too, after XP, and especially post Vista. The main issue with Windows, if there is one nowadays, is some UI cohenrece, not bugs and stability.
        Oletros 11y ago
        So, it is an irrelevant argument.
    - piyush_soni 11y ago
      So you mean you have some 'quantifiable metrics' when you say OS X is a 'mighty fine' OS?
  - coliveira 11y ago
    I use Mac OS X for more than 10 years and I have seen no problem other than normal sporadic bugs that are always fixed in the next minor version. I don't see any reason to believe that it got worse over the years.
    - Retra 11y ago
      I've been using OS X for under a year, and I've run into two major problem that, in my opinion, are completely inexcusable. * Trying to save files in Pages/Numbers, I get an error "Cannot save file. File does not exist." (Well of course it doesn't exist, I haven't saved it yet!) Lost several hours of work multiple times because I couldn't save files. And that is a total shit error message. * Trying to move folders on a remote server. I get a dialog that says "Finder wants to make changes" and asks for my admin password. (What changes? WTF?) Files got deleted when moved. And also a total shit 'warning' message. OS X is far more frustrating and useless than any other OS I've ever used. It doesn't give reasonable error messages, and it doesn't keep your stuff safe. It's a confusing minefield. As long as everything I do is in a non-Apple application, I can get things done. And don't even get me started on OS X mouse support.
      - DanBC 11y ago
        > OS X is far more frustrating and useless than any other OS I've ever used. It doesn't give reasonable error messages, and it doesn't keep your stuff safe. It's a confusing minefield. All software sucks. The only reason you think OSX sucks more than other OSs is because you haven't had time to discover the work-arounds for annoying buggy behaviour.
        Retra 11y ago
        Only on OS X have those bugs involved deleting my data and wasting my money.
      - Gigablah 11y ago
        My MBP tends to lose connection with my external trackpad after coming back from sleep. In fact, Bluetooth stops responding entirely. The only way to fix it AFAIK is to reboot. (Doesn't that remind you of Windows?) My colleagues have encountered the same issue.

Let's admit it, Apple makes good hardware, but that's about it.

coldtea 11y ago

Don't know about that. OS X is a mighty fine OS, iOS is the best mobile OS, Logic gets top points as a DAW, etc etc.

imron 11y ago
OS X was mighty fine. It's been getting progressively worse in my opinion.
- azinman2 11y ago
  Apple is one of the top product makers period. Products are more than just hardware or even software. If you doubt me, look at their market capitalization. Individual products will always have their pros/cons, and the company will have strengths (design) and weaknessess (social, some cloud services). But to say they're bad at software just isn't true.
- coldtea 11y ago
  I don't see anything really worse about it. That's just what people like to say without any quantifiable metrics (usually just with some random data points about this or that bug, but not quantifiably compared to previous releases). Millions of people use it everyday for professional work, including in film and music studios, where stability and timely performance are much more paramount than for some corporate cubicle running Excel. I've not seen anything actually actively deteriorate. The Finder is much better, Spotlight is much more robust than before, apps run fine, etc. There have been bad moves, like the change to their custom DNS responder thing which was not ready for production. Or some glitches here and there. But I've seen such things all the way down to 10.1 were I started. There will always be bugs when you add new features (and even when you don't add anything, as technologies around your OS also change). Plus the upcoming release is a "Snow Leopard" like bugfix affair too, which will help things.
  - rsync 11y ago
    "Plus the upcoming release is a "Snow Leopard" like bugfix affair too, which will help things." It is ? You are referring to Yosemite ? Genuinely curious...
    - sbuk 11y ago
      El Capitain is the next release.
    - coldtea 11y ago
      No, to El Capitan. It's a bugfix release mostly, with few new features and changes introduced.
  - Oletros 11y ago
    > Millions of people use it everyday for professional work, including in film and music studios, where stability and timely performance are much more paramount than for some corporate cubicle running Excel. This can be said about Windows
    - coldtea 11y ago
      So? Windows is pretty solid too, after XP, and especially post Vista. The main issue with Windows, if there is one nowadays, is some UI cohenrece, not bugs and stability.
      - Oletros 11y ago
        So, it is an irrelevant argument.
  - piyush_soni 11y ago
    So you mean you have some 'quantifiable metrics' when you say OS X is a 'mighty fine' OS?
- coliveira 11y ago
  I use Mac OS X for more than 10 years and I have seen no problem other than normal sporadic bugs that are always fixed in the next minor version. I don't see any reason to believe that it got worse over the years.
  - Retra 11y ago
    I've been using OS X for under a year, and I've run into two major problem that, in my opinion, are completely inexcusable. * Trying to save files in Pages/Numbers, I get an error "Cannot save file. File does not exist." (Well of course it doesn't exist, I haven't saved it yet!) Lost several hours of work multiple times because I couldn't save files. And that is a total shit error message. * Trying to move folders on a remote server. I get a dialog that says "Finder wants to make changes" and asks for my admin password. (What changes? WTF?) Files got deleted when moved. And also a total shit 'warning' message. OS X is far more frustrating and useless than any other OS I've ever used. It doesn't give reasonable error messages, and it doesn't keep your stuff safe. It's a confusing minefield. As long as everything I do is in a non-Apple application, I can get things done. And don't even get me started on OS X mouse support.
    - DanBC 11y ago
      > OS X is far more frustrating and useless than any other OS I've ever used. It doesn't give reasonable error messages, and it doesn't keep your stuff safe. It's a confusing minefield. All software sucks. The only reason you think OSX sucks more than other OSs is because you haven't had time to discover the work-arounds for annoying buggy behaviour.
      - Retra 11y ago
        Only on OS X have those bugs involved deleting my data and wasting my money.
    - Gigablah 11y ago
      My MBP tends to lose connection with my external trackpad after coming back from sleep. In fact, Bluetooth stops responding entirely. The only way to fix it AFAIK is to reboot. (Doesn't that remind you of Windows?) My colleagues have encountered the same issue.