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It's kind of important to realize that those same users were angry at her for getting rid of a different woman. That was the trigger, being upset about a well-l

It's kind of important to realize that those same users were angry at her for getting rid of a different woman. That was the trigger, being upset about a well-liked woman being fired with no warning. That kind of destroys your premise, IMO. The vitriol is terrible, but that's more a function of people being angry on the anonymous internet and saying whatever inflammatory things they can come up with to express that.

tptacek 11y ago
This would be clever had Pao been the person who fired Taylor. Wait, no it wouldn't. But either way, Pao's boss fired Taylor.
- eco 11y ago
  The only person claiming Alexis was responsible for firing Victoria was Yishan who hasn't worked there for 8 months and he based that on the fact that Alexis is Ellen's boss so he's ultimately responsible. Former employee kickme44 pointed out that Alexis actually reported to Ellen, despite his role, and Yishan then back peddles on his claims somewhat. The fact of the matter is that we just don't know how or why Victoria was fired and we will likely never know. Everything so far is just speculation. https://www.reddit.com/r/TheoryOfReddit/comments/3d2hv3/kn0thing_says_he_was_responsible_for_the_change/ct1fsoi?context=3 https://www.reddit.com/r/TheoryOfReddit/comments/3d2hv3/kn0t...
  - tptacek 11y ago
    No. Long before Yishan's post, Ohanian posted on Reddit saying he both owned the reorg of AMAs and flubbed the transition with Victoria Taylor. It's not speculation. Consider also that by Ohanian's own direct words, the chairman of Reddit had an operational role over one of the most visible parts of the site. Pao was in a situation that would have been difficult to manage even if things had been going smoothly.
    - eco 11y ago
      Have a link handy? I can't find it. My memory was he's said a lot of things like "we messed up" and "we could have handled it better". Nothing that says he personally is responsible.
      - tptacek 11y ago
        I'm looking at the text I was talking about right now. You can find it, or take my word that I'm not making it up, but if you're going to debate this particular issue with me, I'm going to ask you to do your own homework. :)
        eco 11y ago
        You made the claim. I provided a link with my own claim because it's the polite thing to do and furthers the conversation.
        tptacek 11y ago
        It's just a pattern (not with you, but with message board arguments): 1. Person X stridently argues a position contradicted directly by the record, which they haven't taken the time to read. 2. Person Y rebuts X. 3. X demands a source from Y. 4. Y sources their rebuttal. 5. X recapitulates argument based on dubious, nitpicky reading of source, pretending they'd known the source was flawed all along. The problem isn't that providing sources makes it harder to win arguments with lazy people, it's that it tends to introduce a second argument, over the interpretation of the source, as a smokescreen for instability of the first argument. It gets tedious. I'm not saying that's what you did, just that I've been conditioned by message board nerdery to expect that to happen. In this case, you can if you'd like just take my word for it that Ohanian took responsibility both for the reorg of AMAs and for the handling of the Taylor transition, not in a tea-leaf-reading way, but directly and overtly, prior to Yishan Wong's post, and in a public Reddit comment.
        eco 11y ago
fakeslimshady 11y ago
Racism doesn't need a legit reason

tptacek 11y ago

This would be clever had Pao been the person who fired Taylor. Wait, no it wouldn't. But either way, Pao's boss fired Taylor.

eco 11y ago
The only person claiming Alexis was responsible for firing Victoria was Yishan who hasn't worked there for 8 months and he based that on the fact that Alexis is Ellen's boss so he's ultimately responsible. Former employee kickme44 pointed out that Alexis actually reported to Ellen, despite his role, and Yishan then back peddles on his claims somewhat. The fact of the matter is that we just don't know how or why Victoria was fired and we will likely never know. Everything so far is just speculation. https://www.reddit.com/r/TheoryOfReddit/comments/3d2hv3/kn0thing_says_he_was_responsible_for_the_change/ct1fsoi?context=3 https://www.reddit.com/r/TheoryOfReddit/comments/3d2hv3/kn0t...
- tptacek 11y ago
  No. Long before Yishan's post, Ohanian posted on Reddit saying he both owned the reorg of AMAs and flubbed the transition with Victoria Taylor. It's not speculation. Consider also that by Ohanian's own direct words, the chairman of Reddit had an operational role over one of the most visible parts of the site. Pao was in a situation that would have been difficult to manage even if things had been going smoothly.
  - eco 11y ago
    Have a link handy? I can't find it. My memory was he's said a lot of things like "we messed up" and "we could have handled it better". Nothing that says he personally is responsible.
    - tptacek 11y ago
      I'm looking at the text I was talking about right now. You can find it, or take my word that I'm not making it up, but if you're going to debate this particular issue with me, I'm going to ask you to do your own homework. :)
      - eco 11y ago
        You made the claim. I provided a link with my own claim because it's the polite thing to do and furthers the conversation.
        tptacek 11y ago
        It's just a pattern (not with you, but with message board arguments): 1. Person X stridently argues a position contradicted directly by the record, which they haven't taken the time to read. 2. Person Y rebuts X. 3. X demands a source from Y. 4. Y sources their rebuttal. 5. X recapitulates argument based on dubious, nitpicky reading of source, pretending they'd known the source was flawed all along. The problem isn't that providing sources makes it harder to win arguments with lazy people, it's that it tends to introduce a second argument, over the interpretation of the source, as a smokescreen for instability of the first argument. It gets tedious. I'm not saying that's what you did, just that I've been conditioned by message board nerdery to expect that to happen. In this case, you can if you'd like just take my word for it that Ohanian took responsibility both for the reorg of AMAs and for the handling of the Taylor transition, not in a tea-leaf-reading way, but directly and overtly, prior to Yishan Wong's post, and in a public Reddit comment.
        eco 11y ago

fakeslimshady 11y ago

Racism doesn't need a legit reason