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Pao is the only one of the three who left for any reason that might be gender-related, though. And, yeah, the harassment of Pao was very misogynistic -- and ra

by amyjess 11y ago

Pao is the only one of the three who left for any reason that might be gender-related, though. And, yeah, the harassment of Pao was very misogynistic -- and racist to boot (people were calling her a "ching chong cunt") -- but there's nothing to indicate that the other two had any problems due to their gender.

belovedeagle 11y ago
And, lest we forget, Pao has a documented history of misogyny and gender-based hiring/firing decisions. So if there is a hostile culture, it probably is being mitigated by her departure, rather than fueled.
tptacek 11y ago
I like the idea that the CEO can resign in a hailstorm of racist and misogynist vitriol but that subsequent departures won't have anything to do with gender.
- yokohama11 11y ago
  It's kind of important to realize that those same users were angry at her for getting rid of a different woman. That was the trigger, being upset about a well-liked woman being fired with no warning. That kind of destroys your premise, IMO. The vitriol is terrible, but that's more a function of people being angry on the anonymous internet and saying whatever inflammatory things they can come up with to express that.
  - tptacek 11y ago
    This would be clever had Pao been the person who fired Taylor. Wait, no it wouldn't. But either way, Pao's boss fired Taylor.
    - eco 11y ago
      The only person claiming Alexis was responsible for firing Victoria was Yishan who hasn't worked there for 8 months and he based that on the fact that Alexis is Ellen's boss so he's ultimately responsible. Former employee kickme44 pointed out that Alexis actually reported to Ellen, despite his role, and Yishan then back peddles on his claims somewhat. The fact of the matter is that we just don't know how or why Victoria was fired and we will likely never know. Everything so far is just speculation. https://www.reddit.com/r/TheoryOfReddit/comments/3d2hv3/kn0thing_says_he_was_responsible_for_the_change/ct1fsoi?context=3 https://www.reddit.com/r/TheoryOfReddit/comments/3d2hv3/kn0t...
      - tptacek 11y ago
        No. Long before Yishan's post, Ohanian posted on Reddit saying he both owned the reorg of AMAs and flubbed the transition with Victoria Taylor. It's not speculation. Consider also that by Ohanian's own direct words, the chairman of Reddit had an operational role over one of the most visible parts of the site. Pao was in a situation that would have been difficult to manage even if things had been going smoothly.
        eco 11y ago
        Have a link handy? I can't find it. My memory was he's said a lot of things like "we messed up" and "we could have handled it better". Nothing that says he personally is responsible.
        tptacek 11y ago
        I'm looking at the text I was talking about right now. You can find it, or take my word that I'm not making it up, but if you're going to debate this particular issue with me, I'm going to ask you to do your own homework. :)
        eco 11y ago
        You made the claim. I provided a link with my own claim because it's the polite thing to do and furthers the conversation.
  - fakeslimshady 11y ago
    Racism doesn't need a legit reason
- jasonlotito 11y ago
  Do you have a reason to claim that Bethanye is lying?
  - tptacek 11y ago
    No, and I object to the argument that I said anything of the sort. If you want to debate things with me, please don't start by imposing inflammatory and stupid positions on me.
    - jasonlotito 11y ago
      > No So then there is no reason to believe that her leaving has anything to do with gender. > and I object to the argument that I said anything of the sort. If you want to debate things with me, please don't start by imposing inflammatory and stupid positions on me. I'm not the one that started by posting an inflammatory comment that suggested Bethanye left because of gender issues. If you didn't mean to suggest that Bethanye left because of gender issues, your comment should be corrected.
      - tptacek 11y ago
        You mean apart from the concerns she brought about about gender?
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        jasonlotito 11y ago
        Yes, apart from the quote where she specifically backs up my assertion: “I wouldn’t say my decision to leave was directly related to my gender.” Please, share with me her quote contradicting that saying that her leaving has to do with gender.

by amyjess 11y ago

belovedeagle 11y ago

And, lest we forget, Pao has a documented history of misogyny and gender-based hiring/firing decisions. So if there is a hostile culture, it probably is being mitigated by her departure, rather than fueled.

tptacek 11y ago

I like the idea that the CEO can resign in a hailstorm of racist and misogynist vitriol but that subsequent departures won't have anything to do with gender.

yokohama11 11y ago
It's kind of important to realize that those same users were angry at her for getting rid of a different woman. That was the trigger, being upset about a well-liked woman being fired with no warning. That kind of destroys your premise, IMO. The vitriol is terrible, but that's more a function of people being angry on the anonymous internet and saying whatever inflammatory things they can come up with to express that.
- tptacek 11y ago
  This would be clever had Pao been the person who fired Taylor. Wait, no it wouldn't. But either way, Pao's boss fired Taylor.
  - eco 11y ago
    The only person claiming Alexis was responsible for firing Victoria was Yishan who hasn't worked there for 8 months and he based that on the fact that Alexis is Ellen's boss so he's ultimately responsible. Former employee kickme44 pointed out that Alexis actually reported to Ellen, despite his role, and Yishan then back peddles on his claims somewhat. The fact of the matter is that we just don't know how or why Victoria was fired and we will likely never know. Everything so far is just speculation. https://www.reddit.com/r/TheoryOfReddit/comments/3d2hv3/kn0thing_says_he_was_responsible_for_the_change/ct1fsoi?context=3 https://www.reddit.com/r/TheoryOfReddit/comments/3d2hv3/kn0t...
    - tptacek 11y ago
      No. Long before Yishan's post, Ohanian posted on Reddit saying he both owned the reorg of AMAs and flubbed the transition with Victoria Taylor. It's not speculation. Consider also that by Ohanian's own direct words, the chairman of Reddit had an operational role over one of the most visible parts of the site. Pao was in a situation that would have been difficult to manage even if things had been going smoothly.
      - eco 11y ago
        Have a link handy? I can't find it. My memory was he's said a lot of things like "we messed up" and "we could have handled it better". Nothing that says he personally is responsible.
        tptacek 11y ago
        I'm looking at the text I was talking about right now. You can find it, or take my word that I'm not making it up, but if you're going to debate this particular issue with me, I'm going to ask you to do your own homework. :)
        eco 11y ago
        You made the claim. I provided a link with my own claim because it's the polite thing to do and furthers the conversation.
- fakeslimshady 11y ago
  Racism doesn't need a legit reason
jasonlotito 11y ago
Do you have a reason to claim that Bethanye is lying?
- tptacek 11y ago
  No, and I object to the argument that I said anything of the sort. If you want to debate things with me, please don't start by imposing inflammatory and stupid positions on me.
  - jasonlotito 11y ago
    > No So then there is no reason to believe that her leaving has anything to do with gender. > and I object to the argument that I said anything of the sort. If you want to debate things with me, please don't start by imposing inflammatory and stupid positions on me. I'm not the one that started by posting an inflammatory comment that suggested Bethanye left because of gender issues. If you didn't mean to suggest that Bethanye left because of gender issues, your comment should be corrected.
    - tptacek 11y ago
      You mean apart from the concerns she brought about about gender?
      - deleted 11y ago
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      - jasonlotito 11y ago
        Yes, apart from the quote where she specifically backs up my assertion: “I wouldn’t say my decision to leave was directly related to my gender.” Please, share with me her quote contradicting that saying that her leaving has to do with gender.