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What continent are you referring to that has two countries? North America has 23 countries, with the U.S.A., Canada, and Mexico being the largest countries.

by kale 11y ago

scrollaway 11y ago
Sorry, I meant two other countries and you're right; I have edited to clarify. My point was centered on borders and neighbouring countries. Do you ever see US immigration politics talking about anything else than Mexico? Canada + Mexico + the US occupy something like 95% of the landmass alone. Whenever you hear people talk about immigration in europe, we're talking about immigration from generally 5+ other countries, and often enough another neighbouring continent. Each of those countries are so incredibly different from one another it is very hard to put it in perspective with the US.
- jsmthrowaway 11y ago
  When we discuss immigration we are talking about immigration from generally the entire planet, including Europe. I can think of noteworthy discussion around Cuba, Asia, refugees from numerous conflicts, all of South America... we immigrate far more people and nationalities than you would ever dream because of historical status and in spite of our broken system. We have an illegal immigration problem from Mexico due to conditions there and our border situation. However, countless people from South America flow though the same system by buying their way to Mexico first. That's the immigration politics you observe, because how to handle it is partisan. This whole thread, which was extraordinarily stupid from the get go, is amounting to Europeans explaining the U.S. to the U.S. You guys are getting it wrong, too, your comments included. Who gives a shit about immigration policy? We are in a bloody thread about mankind's achievement in space. Christ, hang it up for one day.
- dragonwriter 11y ago
  > Do you ever see US immigration politics talking about anything else than Mexico? Yes, there's quite a lot of immigration politics around employment based immigrant visas and the dual-intent H-1B and related immigration issues, which is mostly not about Mexico. Its true that much "immigration" discussion centers around addressing both the current population and the ongoing influx of unauthorized immigrants, where the majority are from Mexico (largely, as a result of an immigration policy based on country-of-origin based quotas, that has guaranteed that the countries that have the largest pool of otherwise-qualified applicants have the longest lines, and the fact that that Mexico, as a result, is one of the hardest places to immigrate to the US legally from, particularly in the family-based categories, while, because of geography, being one of the easiest places to immigrate illegally from.)
- yellowapple 11y ago
  > Do you ever see US immigration politics talking about anything else than Mexico? As a Californian: all the damn time. Mexico is the target of immigration debates because it's the U.S.'s immediate neighbor; most immigrants (legal or otherwise) from South and Central America either go through Mexico or take a boat. North America differs from Europe only in the linear arrangement of nodes in a migration graph. In terms of origins, I reckon you're significantly downplaying the similarities.
pluma 11y ago
Most of them are tiny island nations, everything south of Mexico is generally considered "Central America" by everyone else and everybody ignores Greenland (which is technically still kinda part of Denmark). Comparing the 41(!) countries of North America[0] with the 58 countries of Europe[1] is really comparing apples and oranges. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_North_American_countries_by_population https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_North_American_countri... [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_population https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_...
- yellowapple 11y ago
  > everything south of Mexico is generally considered "Central America" by everyone else Define "everyone else", because I certainly don't. "Central" America is part of North America; the dividing line is between Panama and Colombia. Claiming that Central America isn't really North America is like claiming that the Middle East isn't really Asia. It's a geographically-ignorant statement.

What continent are you referring to that has two countries? North America has 23 countries, with the U.S.A., Canada, and Mexico being the largest countries.

by kale 11y ago

What continent are you referring to that has two countries? North America has 23 countries, with the U.S.A., Canada, and Mexico being the largest countries.

scrollaway 11y ago

Sorry, I meant two other countries and you're right; I have edited to clarify. My point was centered on borders and neighbouring countries. Do you ever see US immigration politics talking about anything else than Mexico? Canada + Mexico + the US occupy something like 95% of the landmass alone. Whenever you hear people talk about immigration in europe, we're talking about immigration from generally 5+ other countries, and often enough another neighbouring continent. Each of those countries are so incredibly different from one another it is very hard to put it in perspective with the US.

jsmthrowaway 11y ago
When we discuss immigration we are talking about immigration from generally the entire planet, including Europe. I can think of noteworthy discussion around Cuba, Asia, refugees from numerous conflicts, all of South America... we immigrate far more people and nationalities than you would ever dream because of historical status and in spite of our broken system. We have an illegal immigration problem from Mexico due to conditions there and our border situation. However, countless people from South America flow though the same system by buying their way to Mexico first. That's the immigration politics you observe, because how to handle it is partisan. This whole thread, which was extraordinarily stupid from the get go, is amounting to Europeans explaining the U.S. to the U.S. You guys are getting it wrong, too, your comments included. Who gives a shit about immigration policy? We are in a bloody thread about mankind's achievement in space. Christ, hang it up for one day.
dragonwriter 11y ago
> Do you ever see US immigration politics talking about anything else than Mexico? Yes, there's quite a lot of immigration politics around employment based immigrant visas and the dual-intent H-1B and related immigration issues, which is mostly not about Mexico. Its true that much "immigration" discussion centers around addressing both the current population and the ongoing influx of unauthorized immigrants, where the majority are from Mexico (largely, as a result of an immigration policy based on country-of-origin based quotas, that has guaranteed that the countries that have the largest pool of otherwise-qualified applicants have the longest lines, and the fact that that Mexico, as a result, is one of the hardest places to immigrate to the US legally from, particularly in the family-based categories, while, because of geography, being one of the easiest places to immigrate illegally from.)
yellowapple 11y ago
> Do you ever see US immigration politics talking about anything else than Mexico? As a Californian: all the damn time. Mexico is the target of immigration debates because it's the U.S.'s immediate neighbor; most immigrants (legal or otherwise) from South and Central America either go through Mexico or take a boat. North America differs from Europe only in the linear arrangement of nodes in a migration graph. In terms of origins, I reckon you're significantly downplaying the similarities.

pluma 11y ago

Most of them are tiny island nations, everything south of Mexico is generally considered "Central America" by everyone else and everybody ignores Greenland (which is technically still kinda part of Denmark). Comparing the 41(!) countries of North America[0] with the 58 countries of Europe[1] is really comparing apples and oranges. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_North_American_countries_by_population https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_North_American_countri... [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_population https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_...

yellowapple 11y ago
> everything south of Mexico is generally considered "Central America" by everyone else Define "everyone else", because I certainly don't. "Central" America is part of North America; the dividing line is between Panama and Colombia. Claiming that Central America isn't really North America is like claiming that the Middle East isn't really Asia. It's a geographically-ignorant statement.