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3 female employees gone from the Reddit team in such a short time. This could create the probably false perception that Reddit seems like a hostile working envi

3 female employees gone from the Reddit team in such a short time. This could create the probably false perception that Reddit seems like a hostile working environment for women. I wonder what they'll do to address this probably false perception.

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fredfoobar42 11y ago
I know exactly what they'll do: nothing.
nateberkopec 11y ago
I think they've turned over something like a third of their workforce in the last nine months. It isn't just these people leaving, though they've certainly been the most public.
- arprocter 11y ago
  The media seems to like the gender war angle - the cynic in me wonders how many news stories have been written about the male employees who have left.
  - juliangregorian 11y ago
    There was that leukemia guy a couple weeks ago.
  - rsynnott 11y ago
    Well, the women who've left have been more prominent, by and large. In the case of Pao and Taylor, they were also extremely abrupt. The guy who organised the secret santa thing got some press, though.
AdmiralAsshat 11y ago
Honestly, it sounds like Bethanye dodged a bullet by getting out now.
amyjess 11y ago
Pao is the only one of the three who left for any reason that might be gender-related, though. And, yeah, the harassment of Pao was very misogynistic -- and racist to boot (people were calling her a "ching chong cunt") -- but there's nothing to indicate that the other two had any problems due to their gender.
- belovedeagle 11y ago
  And, lest we forget, Pao has a documented history of misogyny and gender-based hiring/firing decisions. So if there is a hostile culture, it probably is being mitigated by her departure, rather than fueled.
- tptacek 11y ago
  I like the idea that the CEO can resign in a hailstorm of racist and misogynist vitriol but that subsequent departures won't have anything to do with gender.
  - yokohama11 11y ago
    It's kind of important to realize that those same users were angry at her for getting rid of a different woman. That was the trigger, being upset about a well-liked woman being fired with no warning. That kind of destroys your premise, IMO. The vitriol is terrible, but that's more a function of people being angry on the anonymous internet and saying whatever inflammatory things they can come up with to express that.
    - tptacek 11y ago
      This would be clever had Pao been the person who fired Taylor. Wait, no it wouldn't. But either way, Pao's boss fired Taylor.
      - eco 11y ago
        The only person claiming Alexis was responsible for firing Victoria was Yishan who hasn't worked there for 8 months and he based that on the fact that Alexis is Ellen's boss so he's ultimately responsible. Former employee kickme44 pointed out that Alexis actually reported to Ellen, despite his role, and Yishan then back peddles on his claims somewhat. The fact of the matter is that we just don't know how or why Victoria was fired and we will likely never know. Everything so far is just speculation. https://www.reddit.com/r/TheoryOfReddit/comments/3d2hv3/kn0thing_says_he_was_responsible_for_the_change/ct1fsoi?context=3 https://www.reddit.com/r/TheoryOfReddit/comments/3d2hv3/kn0t...
aluhut 11y ago
Maybe it had absolutely nothing to do with gender?
jasonlotito 11y ago
Are you suggesting Bethanye is lying? Her reasoning for leaving has nothing to do with being a women, and everything to do with being a smart engineer who won't take shit. Remember, Ellen was instituting policies to make the place more equal for woman. Frankly, this has nothing to do with being a woman at Reddit, and everything to do with Reddit seeming like a hostile working environment. It just so happens that these 3 people are woman.
- EarlPoncho 11y ago
  > Remember, Ellen was instituting policies to make the place more equal for woman ellen is famous for repeatedly fucking over her female colleagues at kleiner. what are you smoking? she doesn't care about anyone but herself
pjc50 11y ago
Why are people downvoting this comment?
- chronid 11y ago
  I think it wat the automatic assumption made in it before it was edited. Women leave and join companies all the time, why should three women leaving reddit automatically make it an 'unwelcome place for women'?
StavrosK 11y ago
I'm not sure it's doing the anti-sexism effort any favors that we're turning anything related with women into a sexism case. You know what's an equally likely reason that three women are gone from reddit? Reddit was employing many women, so when people leave, naturally some of those will be women. It doesn't look like anyone was fired or made to quit because she's a woman, so let's not play the sexism card just yet.

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fredfoobar42 11y ago

I know exactly what they'll do: nothing.

nateberkopec 11y ago

I think they've turned over something like a third of their workforce in the last nine months. It isn't just these people leaving, though they've certainly been the most public.

arprocter 11y ago
The media seems to like the gender war angle - the cynic in me wonders how many news stories have been written about the male employees who have left.
- juliangregorian 11y ago
  There was that leukemia guy a couple weeks ago.
- rsynnott 11y ago
  Well, the women who've left have been more prominent, by and large. In the case of Pao and Taylor, they were also extremely abrupt. The guy who organised the secret santa thing got some press, though.

AdmiralAsshat 11y ago

Honestly, it sounds like Bethanye dodged a bullet by getting out now.

amyjess 11y ago

Pao is the only one of the three who left for any reason that might be gender-related, though. And, yeah, the harassment of Pao was very misogynistic -- and racist to boot (people were calling her a "ching chong cunt") -- but there's nothing to indicate that the other two had any problems due to their gender.

belovedeagle 11y ago
And, lest we forget, Pao has a documented history of misogyny and gender-based hiring/firing decisions. So if there is a hostile culture, it probably is being mitigated by her departure, rather than fueled.
tptacek 11y ago
I like the idea that the CEO can resign in a hailstorm of racist and misogynist vitriol but that subsequent departures won't have anything to do with gender.
- yokohama11 11y ago
  It's kind of important to realize that those same users were angry at her for getting rid of a different woman. That was the trigger, being upset about a well-liked woman being fired with no warning. That kind of destroys your premise, IMO. The vitriol is terrible, but that's more a function of people being angry on the anonymous internet and saying whatever inflammatory things they can come up with to express that.
  - tptacek 11y ago
    This would be clever had Pao been the person who fired Taylor. Wait, no it wouldn't. But either way, Pao's boss fired Taylor.
    - eco 11y ago
      The only person claiming Alexis was responsible for firing Victoria was Yishan who hasn't worked there for 8 months and he based that on the fact that Alexis is Ellen's boss so he's ultimately responsible. Former employee kickme44 pointed out that Alexis actually reported to Ellen, despite his role, and Yishan then back peddles on his claims somewhat. The fact of the matter is that we just don't know how or why Victoria was fired and we will likely never know. Everything so far is just speculation. https://www.reddit.com/r/TheoryOfReddit/comments/3d2hv3/kn0thing_says_he_was_responsible_for_the_change/ct1fsoi?context=3 https://www.reddit.com/r/TheoryOfReddit/comments/3d2hv3/kn0t...

aluhut 11y ago

Maybe it had absolutely nothing to do with gender?

jasonlotito 11y ago

Are you suggesting Bethanye is lying? Her reasoning for leaving has nothing to do with being a women, and everything to do with being a smart engineer who won't take shit. Remember, Ellen was instituting policies to make the place more equal for woman. Frankly, this has nothing to do with being a woman at Reddit, and everything to do with Reddit seeming like a hostile working environment. It just so happens that these 3 people are woman.

EarlPoncho 11y ago
> Remember, Ellen was instituting policies to make the place more equal for woman ellen is famous for repeatedly fucking over her female colleagues at kleiner. what are you smoking? she doesn't care about anyone but herself

pjc50 11y ago

Why are people downvoting this comment?

chronid 11y ago
I think it wat the automatic assumption made in it before it was edited. Women leave and join companies all the time, why should three women leaving reddit automatically make it an 'unwelcome place for women'?

StavrosK 11y ago

I'm not sure it's doing the anti-sexism effort any favors that we're turning anything related with women into a sexism case. You know what's an equally likely reason that three women are gone from reddit? Reddit was employing many women, so when people leave, naturally some of those will be women. It doesn't look like anyone was fired or made to quit because she's a woman, so let's not play the sexism card just yet.