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> The unfaltering support given to Israel seems strange There's nothing strange about it. Yes, it is militarily aggressive and has to be considering the neighb

by maratd 11y ago

> The unfaltering support given to Israel seems strange There's nothing strange about it. Yes, it is militarily aggressive and has to be considering the neighborhood. The support given is purely selfish as Israel is the only nation in the region which mirrors the values the US wishes to promote in the region, provides military support when needed, and a plethora of other various benefits which none of the other players in the region are able to provide. As far as the "strangeness" is concerned, with rampant antisemitism in Europe, I supposed it would look strange when that hobby isn't shared elsewhere?

Systemic33 11y ago
> with rampant antisemitism in Europe Because Israel isn't escalating this at all with the palestine conflict... Netanyahu is a warmongerer that keeps the conflict alive, because it serves his interests, in increasing antisemitism, resulting in jews feeling increasingly threatened, and starts to consider relocation to Israel, increasing support for Netanyahu.
- berntb 11y ago
  Consider e.g. the Sudanese government, with systematic murders/rapes in the millions. Not to mention organized sexual slavery. Even with a Palestinian description of the Israeli govenments the Sudanese one should be at least a factor thousand worse. Note also that the Sudanese government is supported by Iran and most Arab countries. If you think antisemitism is a logical result of Israel, how should the non-muslim Africa then judge muslims...? (Yeah, I'm hellbanned. And with what I wrote here and what seems to be the political opinions of the censors I'll probably continue to be. :-) )
- bsaul 11y ago
  Jews don't feel threatened because of netanyahu, but because of antisemites ( this word has an historical meaning, which is why i'm using it). And unfortunately, antisemitism doesn't take its root in the palestinian conflict, but in religious books ( both christian and muslims). Which are much older than Israel, and won't change no matter the number of square kilometers of the palestinian state.
- mark_l_watson 11y ago
  To be fair, this is not all the Israel government's fault. USA defense contractors make a ton of money, that originates with the U.S. tax payer, by selling weapon systems to Israel. Powerful economic interests in the USA want the unfortunate situation in that area to continue. There is a lot of money to be made in war, unfortunately.
thwest 11y ago
> Yes, it is militarily aggressive and has to be considering the neighborhood. Citation needed. If we grant Israel its claimed borders, it has only ever witnessed domestic terrorism, never territorial aggression from neighboring states.
- tome 11y ago
  Of course it has experienced territorial aggression from its neighbours. Israel has fought three wars against its total annihilation in its 70 years of existence. If the arabs had won one of those wars there wouldn't be an Israel anymore.
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dingaling 11y ago
> rampant antisemitism Both Arabs and the tribes of Israel are Semitic people. I think you mean anti-Israeli. One can be opposed to the actions and policies of a state without referencing its inhabitants or their religious notions.
- maratd 11y ago
  > I think you mean anti-Israeli. No, I think I mean anti-Jew. I don't think they care where the Jew comes from. > One can be opposed to the actions and policies of a state without referencing its inhabitants or their religious notions. Absolutely. But when those same actions and policies are undertaken by numerous other regimes in the region to a far worse degree and those same actions and policies are not criticized when coming from those other regimes ... one must wonder what motivates those pointing the finger.
  - mark_l_watson 11y ago
    The phrase should be "anti Israeli government" Seriously, few people are critical of people in other countries but many people are properly critical of governments. There are dozens of governments around the world that I disapprove of, but I wish blessings and a good life to the people in those countries.
- berntb 11y ago
  If you are going to insist on the original meaning of words (here even part of a word), then you have no problem of calling yourself "gay" when people ask you how you are? (Or something similar, if you now happen to be gay.) Word change meaning throughout history, "antisemite" was invented by an antisemite for a specific purpose, when there weren't so many other semites in Europe. (Yeah, I'm Hellbanned.)
glenndebacker 11y ago
> The support given is purely selfish as Israel is the only nation in the region which mirrors the values the US wishes to promote Call me cynical but I think it has more to do with the million of dollars that an organisation like AIPAC contribute to American politicians than that the same values are in play. >> with rampant antisemitism in Europe The problem is that any criticism on Israel is automatically classified as antisemitic. Have something to say about the illegal settlements ? It's antisemitic. Say something about the constant war mongering ? It's antisemitic. Don't like netanyahu wardrobe? antisemitic. You have jewish organisations literal stating that any criticism against the state of Israel is automatically antisemitic of nature. In those circumstances it isn't that difficult to have "rampant antisemitism" in Europe. Some – not all – take it also extremely far. I remember a couple of years ago there was a big uproar here in Belgium because a cooking show was presenting Hitlers favorite dish, a trout. You guessed it...the show was suddenly antisemitic. When I was younger a surviver of the holocaust visited my class to speak about the things he have witnessed and the hardship he encountered. He talked about how we should value peace and our freedom. 20 years later I still remember his testimony as it had a big positive impact on my life. I honestly don't think he had these things in mind. It sickens me how antisemitism or the WW2 atrocities are abused sometimes just to have no healthy discussion.
Udik 11y ago
>rampant antisemitism in Europe rampant bullshit. The only antisemitism in Europe is that which is cried out loud by Israelis and Jewish lobbies every time Israel's actions are criticized. It's frankly sickening.
- maratd 11y ago
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AltyhmrIFgo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AltyhmrIFgo
  - Udik 11y ago
    Oooh, the guy walked with a kippah on his head through the muslim quarters of Paris for 10 hours, and what he got? A few mocking comments from the racaille, and a "Vive Palestine!". That's really a Kristallnacht situation here. Given what Israel is doing in Palestine, I'd have expected more. You might want to repeat the exercise in one of the black quarters of New York, with a white guy walking alone through them for 10 hours, and check the level of dangerous anti-caucasianism in the USA. Much higher, I suspect.
    - nnbvv 11y ago
      Haha, haven't been around many black people eh? I've lived in and walked around in many black neighbourhoods, and I have never had any bad experiences.
    - maratd 11y ago
      > You might want to repeat the exercise in one of the black quarters of New York, with a white guy walking alone through them for 10 hours Been there, done that. Nobody yelled anything at me or spat at me. > That's really a Kristallnacht situation here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_%C3%8Ele-de-France_attacks#Porte_de_Vincennes_siege https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_%C3%8Ele-de-France_attack... It must all be my imagination.
      - Udik 11y ago
        >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_%C3%8Ele-de-France_attack.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_%C3%8Ele-de-France_attack.... >It must all be my imagination. That was a terrorist attack, not racism. I'd never say that in the US there is a rampant racism just because a teenager went to a church full of black people and opened fire on them. That would add insult to injury. The whole France has been victim of that terrorist attack, just as the whole USA was victim of the Charleston shooting.

by maratd 11y ago

Systemic33 11y ago

> with rampant antisemitism in Europe Because Israel isn't escalating this at all with the palestine conflict... Netanyahu is a warmongerer that keeps the conflict alive, because it serves his interests, in increasing antisemitism, resulting in jews feeling increasingly threatened, and starts to consider relocation to Israel, increasing support for Netanyahu.

berntb 11y ago
Consider e.g. the Sudanese government, with systematic murders/rapes in the millions. Not to mention organized sexual slavery. Even with a Palestinian description of the Israeli govenments the Sudanese one should be at least a factor thousand worse. Note also that the Sudanese government is supported by Iran and most Arab countries. If you think antisemitism is a logical result of Israel, how should the non-muslim Africa then judge muslims...? (Yeah, I'm hellbanned. And with what I wrote here and what seems to be the political opinions of the censors I'll probably continue to be. :-) )
bsaul 11y ago
Jews don't feel threatened because of netanyahu, but because of antisemites ( this word has an historical meaning, which is why i'm using it). And unfortunately, antisemitism doesn't take its root in the palestinian conflict, but in religious books ( both christian and muslims). Which are much older than Israel, and won't change no matter the number of square kilometers of the palestinian state.
mark_l_watson 11y ago
To be fair, this is not all the Israel government's fault. USA defense contractors make a ton of money, that originates with the U.S. tax payer, by selling weapon systems to Israel. Powerful economic interests in the USA want the unfortunate situation in that area to continue. There is a lot of money to be made in war, unfortunately.

thwest 11y ago

> Yes, it is militarily aggressive and has to be considering the neighborhood. Citation needed. If we grant Israel its claimed borders, it has only ever witnessed domestic terrorism, never territorial aggression from neighboring states.

tome 11y ago
Of course it has experienced territorial aggression from its neighbours. Israel has fought three wars against its total annihilation in its 70 years of existence. If the arabs had won one of those wars there wouldn't be an Israel anymore.

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dingaling 11y ago

> rampant antisemitism Both Arabs and the tribes of Israel are Semitic people. I think you mean anti-Israeli. One can be opposed to the actions and policies of a state without referencing its inhabitants or their religious notions.

maratd 11y ago
> I think you mean anti-Israeli. No, I think I mean anti-Jew. I don't think they care where the Jew comes from. > One can be opposed to the actions and policies of a state without referencing its inhabitants or their religious notions. Absolutely. But when those same actions and policies are undertaken by numerous other regimes in the region to a far worse degree and those same actions and policies are not criticized when coming from those other regimes ... one must wonder what motivates those pointing the finger.
- mark_l_watson 11y ago
  The phrase should be "anti Israeli government" Seriously, few people are critical of people in other countries but many people are properly critical of governments. There are dozens of governments around the world that I disapprove of, but I wish blessings and a good life to the people in those countries.
berntb 11y ago
If you are going to insist on the original meaning of words (here even part of a word), then you have no problem of calling yourself "gay" when people ask you how you are? (Or something similar, if you now happen to be gay.) Word change meaning throughout history, "antisemite" was invented by an antisemite for a specific purpose, when there weren't so many other semites in Europe. (Yeah, I'm Hellbanned.)

glenndebacker 11y ago

> The support given is purely selfish as Israel is the only nation in the region which mirrors the values the US wishes to promote Call me cynical but I think it has more to do with the million of dollars that an organisation like AIPAC contribute to American politicians than that the same values are in play. >> with rampant antisemitism in Europe The problem is that any criticism on Israel is automatically classified as antisemitic. Have something to say about the illegal settlements ? It's antisemitic. Say something about the constant war mongering ? It's antisemitic. Don't like netanyahu wardrobe? antisemitic. You have jewish organisations literal stating that any criticism against the state of Israel is automatically antisemitic of nature. In those circumstances it isn't that difficult to have "rampant antisemitism" in Europe. Some – not all – take it also extremely far. I remember a couple of years ago there was a big uproar here in Belgium because a cooking show was presenting Hitlers favorite dish, a trout. You guessed it...the show was suddenly antisemitic. When I was younger a surviver of the holocaust visited my class to speak about the things he have witnessed and the hardship he encountered. He talked about how we should value peace and our freedom. 20 years later I still remember his testimony as it had a big positive impact on my life. I honestly don't think he had these things in mind. It sickens me how antisemitism or the WW2 atrocities are abused sometimes just to have no healthy discussion.

Udik 11y ago

>rampant antisemitism in Europe rampant bullshit. The only antisemitism in Europe is that which is cried out loud by Israelis and Jewish lobbies every time Israel's actions are criticized. It's frankly sickening.

maratd 11y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AltyhmrIFgo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AltyhmrIFgo
- Udik 11y ago
  Oooh, the guy walked with a kippah on his head through the muslim quarters of Paris for 10 hours, and what he got? A few mocking comments from the racaille, and a "Vive Palestine!". That's really a Kristallnacht situation here. Given what Israel is doing in Palestine, I'd have expected more. You might want to repeat the exercise in one of the black quarters of New York, with a white guy walking alone through them for 10 hours, and check the level of dangerous anti-caucasianism in the USA. Much higher, I suspect.
  - nnbvv 11y ago
    Haha, haven't been around many black people eh? I've lived in and walked around in many black neighbourhoods, and I have never had any bad experiences.
  - maratd 11y ago
    > You might want to repeat the exercise in one of the black quarters of New York, with a white guy walking alone through them for 10 hours Been there, done that. Nobody yelled anything at me or spat at me. > That's really a Kristallnacht situation here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_%C3%8Ele-de-France_attacks#Porte_de_Vincennes_siege https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_%C3%8Ele-de-France_attack... It must all be my imagination.
    - Udik 11y ago
      >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_%C3%8Ele-de-France_attack.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_%C3%8Ele-de-France_attack.... >It must all be my imagination. That was a terrorist attack, not racism. I'd never say that in the US there is a rampant racism just because a teenager went to a church full of black people and opened fire on them. That would add insult to injury. The whole France has been victim of that terrorist attack, just as the whole USA was victim of the Charleston shooting.